EVE General Discussion

You might actually be interested in what I want to see happen.
It actually supports what you do and wants it to be standard as it should be.

And lol at all the clueless people here. Trying to explain them something
is like throwing pearls before swine. They will reject it,
because mud and dirt is just better.

Please go and learn the difference between correlation and causation. CCP hasn't given us enough data for causation. Hopefully they do have that data internally.

P.S. You are sounding like another poster.

Please learn what that phrase actually means, instead of spouting pseudo intellectual nonsense at people who actually have a clue.

I'm not sure I fully understand your proposal, so I'll attempt to summarize it and you can tell me how close or far from the mark I am.

You are suggesting to eliminate the differences between starter corps (nee "schools," for example CAS or FNA) and NPC corps (for example, The Scope.) Instead, upon character creation, players will be given free reign to choose any joinable NPC corporation to start in, regardless of their racial choices. They will be presented with descriptions of each NPC corp and can choose the one that sounds best to them. They can then freely move from one NPC corp to another as their interests change, depending on their attraction to the activity and focus of various NPC corps.

Is that correct? Complete?

New players start in NPC corps and those players are the most likely to quit. Saying NPC corp players have the lowest retention is more a statement of fact since those would obviously be the players with the weakest link to the game socially.

The more important question is are there clear and obvious ways to engage the game and other players? If there are we see the players that want to play the game moving on to player corps through those engagements, leaving those who don't in NPC corps and leaving. If not we have players that would otherwise have flourished staying in NPC corps and quitting.

Notice how those leaving are likely to do so from NPC corps either way?

The thing is, unless CCP creates favored player groups by placing mew players directly into them this is an issue that won't go away no matter what incarnation NPC corps take.

Apparently I can't edit my posts or or quote more than a few words so my spelling errors must stand regardless of how distracting or amusing they may be.

Yet it let me post that quote... And it let me edit... but only this post... sigh.

They aren't, though I'm not sure why you are asking since that isn't what I stated. I stated that new players were at greater risk of leaving, not that one new player was at a greater risk than another. And since those new players would be more likely to be in NPC corps because that is where they start, such corps would have comparatively lower retention.

Further, since retention is pretty engagement related, that skews retention even further away from new players who remain in NPC corps.

For new players seems rather easy, pick an age to define when a player stops being new and look at the accounts that quit before making it to that age. How many joined corps, how many used the chats and how often, how many were engaged in combat, etc?

Said it better a long time ago in a post i can no longer find...

but, the reason mamy players stay in an NPC corp:

1. They were recruited into a player corp too soon in their eve-life, and not only didnt they have the skills to be there, no one else had the patience to put up with some one who literally couldnt even fit a web--or use ANY of the linked fits you used to help them. So, as a result, they associate player corps with incompetence, poor leadership, and lack of respect.

2. They joined a corp that was too small--no one was ever on to talk to or ask question to, and so they were playing alone anyway. When they left, and joined a NPC corp, a whole new world opened up, where there is always people on, and always a way to find out information if you need it. It's also vastly easier to do casual things with other people in an NPC corp if you choose to, from missions to pvp. Some NPC corps have a hard core group of pvprs, and it's fun that way.

3. Corps who recruit, try to do too much. We have all seen the ads. "you can mine, mission (4's in caldari space!), pvp. We're a WH corp with ties to null." ... just WHAT is that corp trying to do? If you like mining, you know you're going to be miserable. If you like low sec, they'll howl at you to get into a WH, if you're in a WH, they'll want you to roam null sec. There's no focus there, and no one wants to join something like that. a Good 90% of corp ads are like that.

4. Easier, once you reach a point, to do things yourself, from mining to lvl 4's. If you're in an NPC corp, you become accustomed to handling your own stuff, when you want to. If you're in a corp, a lot of the time (even more so the closer u get to nullsec), you're forced to WAIT for other people. I, for one, refuse to wait for anyone most of the time. I need a corp that either, doesnt plan anything--and can launch ops on the fly within a few minutes--or lets me join right in the middle of one. Or leave. Few corps do that.

5. I has literally nothing at all to do with war decs. Or taxes.

personally, i can do everything i ever wanted to, solo--i dont want to do incursions (and most corps dont have enough people or organization to do one either), i dont want to go to null to lose things i cant afford to lose (because i''m a filthy casual and dont want to grind isk with an alt, because doing it with the null character is banned by alliance), i have no interest in spamming d-scan every 5 seconds in a WH to mine some gas. I just want to log on, and go do something, and chat to people if i feel like it--and an NPC corp gives me exactly that.

That's why a lot of people stay there.

There were 37 logged into VANIS Corp channel last night. Join a Corp that doesn't suck, maybe?