Warfare & Tactics

I'm in agreement with you too. I think they took it too far trying to "stay true" to matching the weapon types of the battleship tiers.

In reality, the tier 3 battlecruisers are their own ship really and should have their racial dominant weapons.

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"Your Erebus is docked? How did that happen?" "It took a lot of grease and pushing........"

...Hey, while they're at it, why not make another fast, dedicated torpedo glasscannon? It could be stealthy... It could also be a bomber! Let's tell CCP about this great new dedicated fast glasscannon torpedo platform!

*facepalm*

EDIT: The plural of bonus is bonuses, not bonus'.

CCP *finally* makes a working rail platform that isn't the Rokh, and people still complain.

Sigh.

"OMG I'm caldari but never trained hybrids because they were awful even though roughly 50% of the Caldari ships are turret based, and now there's this new ship that's Caldari and isn't missiles so i can't fly it. Instead of manning up and blaming myself for this choice I'd much rather blame others.

Also, I didn't realise that the tier 3 BCs aren't for PVE/solo use but seem to be fleet ships for a specific scenario. That takes WAY too much thinking and braincells to figure out so, again, instead of blaming myself for this lack of effort I'll blame others."

that's kinda what I read from the OP and several other replies.

The Rokh, with an actual hitpoint or 100K to call its own, will be the preferred hybrid sniping platform for blob warfare (note: the alphafleet doctrine will still demand 1400's on Abbadons and Maels). The Naga will dominate the Rokh for other applications, such as where you can concievably maintain EW saturation and smaller fleet and gang fights, due to its equal range, equivalent DPS, and far higher maneuverability. In other words, if you actually need to tank, bring a Rokh; if you don't, bring a Naga.

Will we see Alphafleet arty abbadons and Maels' being outranged by Spike-toting sniper naga/Rokh fleets? Probably not because its much harder to get a coherent blob of these ships at 200-250km vs the usual 60-120km sniper fight ranges, and the alpha doesn't, at first glance, stack up enough to counter the logi walls as opposed to arty fleets (4K vs 11K). There's no point having a ball of Nagas at 200km safely sniping outside the range of arty blobs when they can't bust the enemy tank.

The extra DPS and rate of fire of rails won't likely see them in greater use because you have already got, for instance, people trained into Amarr BS and L projectiles, or just straight to Minnie BS/L projectiles. Getting 100 guys to train Caldari BC/BS and L rails to T1 (let alone T2) so your FC theorymaster can prove his math wargaming concepts is just not going to happen fast, which means it'll never happen. I mean, there are maths and fleet comps which should theoretically whup the arty fleet setup, but it takes success to prove the concept and that takes someone willing to risk it all on a harebrained scheme. Everyone's too risk averse and KB precious to try this stuff.

For small gangs, the Naga probably isn't going to be quite as utilised as the Drake for two reasons. one, everyone's gone the Heavy Missile/HAM spec route and knows how to make a Drake work as a Drake - they aren't neccessarily going to retrain into T2 hybrids to fly a ship in a way completely foreign to pilots of the Space Brick (aka Drake). Two, small gang fights occur at closer ranges than fleet fights and everyone need a point, which obviates any advantages of fitting rails. Fit blasters to the Naga and its weak tank will be exposed by people flying it like a Drake.

Is it useless? hells no. I'm excited about exploring a bunch of options with nagas, both in fleet fights and small gangs, and just sniping idiots on gates. I've seen what Shadow Cartel is doing with the Naga/tier 3's and its pretty ausum.

its looks like a tuning fork!!!

Being caldari and having no hybrid skills is like being amarr and having no projectile turret skills.