EVE General Discussion

This is not a change EVE to suite me thread.

More a question to the Vets and almost Vets.

After so many years with the same PU, what would happen if EVE started over?
The old server would stay, but new server options were added.

1) Would you try to make a home on a new server?
2) Would you want a difference game strategy or play option, such as All PVP or All PVE?
3) Do you think it would add subs or take away subs, giving players these new options?

Chime in if you feel talkative.

EvE would stop to be EvE. This game has more or less organically grown in the years since it started in 2003, such a growth process can not be replicated.

You would end up with people checking out the 'New' thing, only to find out that what differences compared to the real EvE there might be that drew them there might look good on paper, but do not make it EvE.
In the mean time the drain on the real EvE, the old EvE, in terms of players leaving looking for greener pastures on the 'New' server, could very well be the end of EvE itself.

New servers would destroy EVE.


The persistent universe is what allows EVE to grow naturally, developing very real cultures and societies that often identify with their native space. By making multiple copies of that space, and spreading the already-thin playerbase across those copies, you devalue any sense of connection with territory and make the whole of the game feel just as cheap as any other MMO- As well as leaving huge swaths of activities abandoned and products nearly unobtainable as 'PVE' players leave highsec, lowsec, and null for servers where no one can threaten them at all.


-1 to this idea from me and my corpmates. EVE should never, ever, do this.

The split into Felucca and Trammel were the death of Ultima Online.

The single-shard nature of EVE is a big part of what keeps me subbed to it. At the end of the day, it's the one big thing EVE has going for it to make it unique. Take that away, and EVE becomes every other MMO on the market, but with spaceships.

While I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else, I might safely assume I'm not the only one who feels that way. By its very nature, EVE made me a different kind of gamer. It 'hardened me up' so to speak, and despite originally coming into the game with delusional expectations of what I was in for, I feel like the unforgivable brutality of the single-shard sandbox not only made me a better gamer, but a stronger person, over the years that I've played.

Some on these forums may remember how 'self-entitled' I was when I first started posting on these forums. Learning and understanding the nature of this game is what lead to my adaptation to it, and a half-decent PVP killboard as a result.

I play a lot of games, and come across a lot of different kinds of gamers, and in my experience, the majority are exactly as I used to be - the self-entitled types who don't want to put in too much effort to succeed. They want games to pander to them, to make them feel like the centre of their gaming universe. Which is fine if we're talking about a single-player experience, but in a sandbox MMO... how do you make over a thousand players all feel like the center of their gaming universe?

Well, first you have to give them a story that makes them the hero. Then, you have to instance it, so that everyone else can have their story without interfering in yours. That's when you get a 'themepark' game as opposed to a sandbox. Not only does it not work for EVE as it is, it runs completely against the grain. Ironically, while a themepark game might make you feel like a hero, you're really no different from anyone else who is playing the exact same hero-story as you. Which is why achieving great things in a single-shard sandbox like EVE has so much more meaning, because it truly is your own unique story. As I've heard it explained in the past: a themepark game is like a music box that plays you a pretty tune, with a beginning and an end, and one that everyone hears; EVE gives you a guitar, and lets you write your own music.

But let's say CCP did develop a new PVE-only server with a single-player story campaign (which is what you'd need given all the PVE in the game as it is is very generic and repetitive due to EVE's development being focused on PVP). It wouldn't be EVE anymore except by name alone.

So sure, this new game that isn't EVE might attract more players. And this is how I know CCP are still genuinely interested in maintaining the true nature and flavour of EVE Online, cuz if they were just after new subs, such a thing wouldn't be too difficult to achieve. There are plenty of entitled gamers out there to pander to. That's why WoW does so well. EVE, as they say, isn't for everyone, but that's really an understatement - EVE is for hardly anyone, and that's fine. Lots of people get their driver's licenses as well, but only an elite few make it as F1 drivers.

Dare I say ...
... there's quite a few of these lately.

Single instance of Eve Period. If you wanna start a fresh noob create a new character. If you want a gank free game WOW is --->

I play eve because it isn't other games. if it became "other games" I'd probably just leave.

ccp should blow serenity up and make them all use TQ.. stupid Chinese gov.

That sounds like heaven.
- Boring.

It also would not be EVE.
Firstly, get rid of miners because ships would hardly be blown up, just seed the market with ships and modules ... and from there you are quickly getting to a boring version of the test server.