Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lets compared Mega Pulse Laser to Neutron Blasters
Same falloff ranges, tracking is 0.0422 on Laser vs 0.0650 on hybrid

Short range ammo (T1 so Multifrequency vs Antimatter)
Laser have 12.750km range and 48.16 dps, hybrid have 4.5km range and 58.35 dps.

Medium range (Standard vs Lead, no optimal bonus/penalty on from ammo)
Laser have 31.5km range and 32.11 dps, hybrid have 9km range and 38.9 dps

Long range (Radio vs Iron, max range ammo)
Laser have 50.4km range and 20.07 dps, hybrid have 14.4km range and 24.31 dps (less range than lasers with multifrequency)

Compared to Blasters the range that Lasers have is just extreme, reason Multifrequency is so much used is that it have the range other weapon systems need to use long range ammo for something lasers use their shortest range ammo for

The smaller to max bonus/penalty can be, the more irrelevant most ammo become. There would be no point for example to firing the second closest range hybrid ammo if AM is 3% shorter range at most...

why would fozzie make ammo with just 3% difference?? .... the point was that instead of having 10 diff ammo types thus needing the big range 0 - 75%, halving the ammo and then focusing there roles strongly the range could be vastly reduced making the weapon systems much more significant and along with weapon tiercide, choices would be better and harder too decide what too pick making more interesting choices all round.

Relative to everything that's not sentry drones, lasers are actually overpowered right now, the problems are:

1. There are very few hulls that cater to the strength of lasers. (read: kiting) Omen Navy Issue and Navy Slicer are retardedly good, because they can kite.
2. Just like every other weapon system in Eve except for light missiles, they're completely and totally obsoleted by sentry drones.

I agree but after swapping from navy microwave to scorch s, getting equal range and a crapton more DPS at range, I think there's something really wrong with laser ammo.



Drones in general are their own problem, with sentries just being the extreme end.

The hulls like slicer and Navomen, which don't necessarily have to be kite designed, were originally intended to just have more range projection using short range, high dps ammo. Their agility breaks with traditional amarr design, so they're compounding goodies on top of lasers.

If they were not designed as they are, if they were slow and lacked agility like most amarr stuff, their bonuses would simply make them good when they can't really dictate range, rathe than amazing. Rather than see the hulls catering to the strengths of lasers, see the hulls as having unintendedly good synergy with lasers, which were supposed to have drawbacks of the original amarr design philosophies.



In general, the idea of using different ammo is to outrange or outdamage your opponent, because one of you is trying to control range, and the other is trying to do more DPS by having better optimal+falloff, or by having better damage at short range (multifreq/blasters). Amarr crystals can swap quickly, so they obviously should be changing their loadout in response to changing conditions, such as a brawl boat getting into range.

My problem was when designing a midrange ship to outrange autocannons, it took small dual beam turrets and navy microwave S to get the same as pulse turrets with scorch S, which is a huge loss of damage, and when you have no bite, you cant break someone's tank.


Lasers are ridiculously good, with the right ammo, and the right ship, and the right turret type. They are fairly bad any other way. I'd prefer that more styles are available to lasers rather than SlicersOnline or TormentorBrawls.

It'd be nice to range out to 15-20km with normal ships, to get the midrange countering the short range guns of thrashers and incursus, for example. Then, ideally, as amarr are slower, they don't really dictate range so they swap to shorter range crystals as the enemy gets into range, giving them some time at midrange to whittle down the opponent before a DPS race in close quarters.

I like your sig, btw. I pitched a bitchfit over the introduction of T2 ships for the same reason. T3 cruisers are just ridiculously power creep.

1150 dps at 58 km optimal with Navy Multi Freq with Mega Pulse Laser II is of course not powerful enough...

Actually, I said that multifreq should be slightly more DPS than AC or blasters with long range ammo, standard should be even DPS with that long range ammo, and radio should be slightly less.

Since ACs and blasters have the least DPS when modified for the furthest range, you're completely wrong saying I think all ammo should be scorch level.

Furthermore, the raw DPS does look good, but the cap use is also a factor, not to mention the tracking. The DPS doesn't look so good when tracking and sig tanking get involved, but its reasonable for you to neglect that for the raw DPS to look OP.

I don't think I've ever heard someone say lasers have average to poor tracking before, because scorch is that good. Whilst it exists, lasers aren't really 'fixable' imo.

How about since lasers are basically just light-based weaponry, upping their tracking and range significantly while lowering their dps, but increasing their cap usage and giving them a slight penalty to weapon heat damage per usage, same as the crystals? you'd get excellent damage application but they'd be a lot harder to manage.

Have you ever used any large beam laser? They are hard to manage as is and don't need more nerfing.