Wormholes

Quoted and touted as a solution, but no one has yet pointed out what part of w-space gameplay it preserves. I see it turning w-space into a hisec clone. More free intel. I am used to storing my stuff in a pos that could be rf'd or even destroyed at any time, so all this chatter about protecting assets and wiggling about restricting this and that is just fluff and irrelevant to w-space gameplay. Fix the pos permission nightmare and stop trying to turn w-Space int high or even null sec.

-Loot drops:
M to L structures should drop loot of what they contain, since they are the same as poses these days. Being able to salvage the structure for components is a bonus.
We cleaned up lots of poses that ran out of fuel and collected lots of loot.
In w-space killing someones stuff is one of the very few conflict drivers so that should not disappear.
It was already hard to have to see people destroy their stuff over and over again in pos-bashes. That is why many people in w-space always asked for the removal of selfdestruction of ships in a pos-shield.
Now that would still be possible to do in a citadel(rightclick trash). But if you even scrap the possibility of loot that will eliminate a lot of possible conflicts(player interaction).
I would understand that XL structures similar to outposts would get a different mechanic, since now they can not be destroyed at all.

-always docking:
Docking games suck. I can not remember pos-shield games though, never seem to happen since pos shield are to big to be able to capture people flying to safety or even getting out to fight you.
When you first come into a wormhole you use d-scan to see if there are ships in space (or wrecks on scan).
If not then you have probably a w-hole with no active people in them.
If everyone is forced to dock finding active people will be impossible.
Someone one mentioned making it able to do a show info on the citadel and see who is active.
While this is more spreadsheet in space instead of actualy having ships in space like a pos shield this is not a sufficient sollution.
I propose to just have everything inside the citadel on d-scan. If someone in the pos switches to a other ship, then again you see it on d-scan.
Also the people inside the citadel should have a complete d-scan of inside and outside the citadel. that way you will not need to be able to uncloak to see who and what is inside a pos.
Why always on d-scan? It might look like to much info at once but it is needed to prevent scout-burn-out.
Try scanning a system with 100 of these to find someone active. And after finding none tell your scouts to do an other system with 100 of these citadels.
Will there be only 1 undock? The advantage of a pos was that you needed a whole lot of bubble to be able to deny the defender to warp out.
A single undock will make it easier to pin down a fleet at their citadel, make it less likely a fleet will attempt to brake out on not timer based events.
You could align in a pos shield, will we be bumping the citadel if we want to warp to something on the other of the undock?
The size of the pos shield also made it hard to bubble completely while stations with there single undock are much easier bubbled to contain people.
Also what happened to soft mooring?
Some ideas:
Maybe later add a 3 d-view of d-scan, a bit like the current probe-scan window.
Maybe if you do show info on a citadel you get a new window . In the window a view like where you now do station spinning but all over the walls are the ships inside the citadel.


-Achoring it everywhere:
Anchoring them everywhere makes it a absolute necesity to make em warpable from the d-scan window.It would be acceptable as a temporary solution untill a bether and more fun way has been introduced.
This does takes away from the gameplay aspect from looking for a structure.
Now looking for a structure with only d-scan and your cloaked ship without probes is actualy hard and not easy gameplay (try learning it to a new player).
Why no probes? Because you don't want people to know you are there.
Just warpable from d-scan where ever you are is to easy.
Maybe make it more challenging by only making it warpable when you have it a certain angle (15 or 30 degrees) , or make a 3 point d-scan needed.
Lets say, you need to lock 3 d-scan results(select, and lock it in, in the d-scan window) with an angle of 30 degrees or something like that.
Maybe also introduce a need to be in a certain range.

-anchoring restrictions:
Please not close to poco's,gates,wormholes,current pos/outpost , mobile structures.
Not being able to put it inside anomalies , signatures, moon, planets, sun (asuming you can still fly inside those) .
Will they be able to be anchored in shattered wormholes? It might be a good idea to test the viablity of living in that space.

-rights:
Can we set rights for people to dock, lets say some subdivision yes,other not?
Can we set it so that only allies can dock and sell stuff?
What if the owner shuts down the citadel where does the stuff in it go, available for the owner or destroyed?
Or ejected in secure cans?
Can we set it that everyone can dock and buy or/and sell stuff?
Can only the owning corp sell stuff or everyone?
Can there be some kind of system where you can share stuff between alts?
Will we have more office space,tabs, an office walking in stations,... ?
I would love to sell stuff to alliance/corp mates with this system, people could also ask for stuff by putting in buy orders.
Although what would happen to the money escrow when the structure gets destroyed?Logicaly you should get you isk back.

What I'm really wondering since these can be anchored anywhere & current grid mechanics, can some1 anchor a few of them on the same expanded grid to have overlapping guns?{run on sentences ftw}

Incap the guns nerd

Well you could always bring a few logi? Or is bringing a proper fleet to entosis the structruer too much to demand?

It doesn't prevent the pos from shooting you. You probably still have to shoot and encap the guns...

I am of two minds on this.

It will be ******* awesome doing this, and we all know we will.

I would love to have them off of moons but then having them warpable on the overview takes away effort/reward and honestly if that is how it will be then i would rather them being locked to being anchored at moons like they are currently.

I mean how will we ever teach the new kids how to dscan right?...

Are You sure that you can shoot the Guns? If they are fitted on a citadel like a ship. Then you might not be able to target them individual. I have not seen anything about that in the dev blog.

I really hope not. With POS you can reanchor and online a full rack of guns during RF timer. Doubt it will be possible to refit a citadel during RF so I hope they leave the guns invulnerable.

I'd like to bring something up that I was thinking about over the last few days in regards to which structures might or might not be allowed in whspace. I feel that if the structures can't or will not adhere to the moon locking of systems then all of the Structures should be deployable in whspace and with that the ability to construct Super caps. As this might get out of hand maybe a limited number of structures being able to be deployed per wormhole might work. But this is all conjecture till we know what will be allowed and what will not be allowed in whspace.