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New Citadel/POS tear down ease? like if you get wardecced

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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#1 - 2015-05-16 22:43:34 UTC
I cant find info on how long/how easy they are to take down if your coro gets griefdecced.
Is it like current mechanics where you can save your POS from griefdeccers before war goes live?
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#2 - 2015-05-16 23:01:25 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
I cant find info on how long/how easy they are to take down if your coro gets griefdecced.
Is it like current mechanics where you can save your POS from griefdeccers before war goes live?


I would hope not. Surely having the citadel of a war-deccing corp still be vulnerable after the war goes live would be a good thing.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#3 - 2015-05-16 23:59:55 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
I cant find info on how long/how easy they are to take down if your coro gets griefdecced.
Is it like current mechanics where you can save your POS from griefdeccers before war goes live?



thats because there is no info

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Col Arran
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-05-17 00:33:15 UTC
I really hope not, EVE is harsh and there should be loss. Its not right that you can just tear everything down and dock up so you don't lose anything in a wardec. If you get a "griefdeccer" just ask for allies in the war there are plenty of people willing to help save your ****.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#5 - 2015-05-17 00:53:56 UTC
If you can't defend it you should not deploy it.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-05-17 00:57:21 UTC
Col Arran wrote:
I really hope not, EVE is harsh and there should be loss. Its not right that you can just tear everything down and dock up so you don't lose anything in a wardec. If you get a "griefdeccer" just ask for allies in the war there are plenty of people willing to help save your ****.


At the same time there's a lot things 'not right' about the current wardec mechanics, but that's been discussed in many other threads so I won't get into that again.

One positive thing is that, according to the current ideas, the defenders have a natural advantage when it comes to structures so at least there's that.

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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-05-17 01:20:49 UTC
Citadels will have aoe missiles, massive smartbombs, fighters and possibly fighter-bombers. I can understand tearing down current towers, since they suck at combat, but with all those new toys coming along, you might at least consider watching the fireworks.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2015-05-17 01:39:33 UTC
Galphii wrote:
Citadels will have aoe missiles, massive smartbombs, fighters and possibly fighter-bombers. I can understand tearing down current towers, since they suck at combat, but with all those new toys coming along, you might at least consider watching the fireworks.

None of which matters when your small corp has no players online because there are only 10 of you in the corp to start with. Since the AI will sit there like a dead dodo and do nothing since there won't be any AI on these structures.
And a single frigate can just come along and destroy everything you own in 30 minutes.

Reinforcement timers if they even exist for the smaller versions also don't matter since once it's into reinforcement the Deccers have a very specific time they know they can force you to undock and lose ships or just write off the structure. So once it's into reinforcement cycles it's game over vs a Wardec corp.

Meaning one of two things has to happen. You have to be able to tear it down in half an hour of online time. Or all the assets in storage inside the structure must be perfectly safe.
If you want to force the structure to remain in space, I'm ok with that, but assets in storage must be safe.
If assets in storage aren't safe, the structure must be removable.
Otherwise any structure in highsec is just a pure wardec magnet and the game gets one step worse.
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#9 - 2015-05-17 01:47:17 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
If you can't defend it you should not deploy it.


But currently my POS defends itself. In dickstar mode with supercrazy ecm its bacisally invincible and i dont even have to logon all war to defend it.
New Citadels are manual guns only
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#10 - 2015-05-17 01:48:14 UTC
Galphii wrote:
Citadels will have aoe missiles, massive smartbombs, fighters and possibly fighter-bombers. I can understand tearing down current towers, since they suck at combat, but with all those new toys coming along, you might at least consider watching the fireworks.


But that arent automatic. A small corp must have someone online during the attack or lose it. Its unfair that griefers get this advantage
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2015-05-17 01:50:29 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:

But currently my POS defends itself. In dickstar mode with supercrazy ecm its bacisally invincible and i dont even have to logon all war to defend it.
New Citadels are manual guns only

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of Grids and ASB Marauders and FOF missiles. Or just remote ECCM set ups.
Dickstars can be taken down by any group that actually cares about your POS, they just won't be taken down by groups who are just out for cheap easy profit who focus on undefended POS's.
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#12 - 2015-05-17 02:50:27 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kaelynne Rose wrote:

But currently my POS defends itself. In dickstar mode with supercrazy ecm its bacisally invincible and i dont even have to logon all war to defend it.
New Citadels are manual guns only

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of Grids and ASB Marauders and FOF missiles. Or just remote ECCM set ups.
Dickstars can be taken down by any group that actually cares about your POS, they just won't be taken down by groups who are just out for cheap easy profit who focus on undefended POS's.

But now there are specific windows meaning you must bring the dps enough for the window too. And um i really think that most mercs/griefers wont spend hours and hours and mindnumblying hours trying to take down a small corp POS/Citadel. Thats why these changes are being made, cuz mindnumbinly boring structure grinds.
But yeah if the griefers wanna bore themselves with my dickstar, so be it.

But anyways im just fed up that I wont be able to save my Citadel under new system if i get griefdecced like i can now. (Dickstars are BASICALLY INVICIBLE / too boring to take down)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2015-05-17 02:53:53 UTC
Entosis link, no DPS grind needed, just one frigate with a link and you are all done.
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#14 - 2015-05-17 02:59:52 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Entosis link, no DPS grind needed, just one frigate with a link and you are all done.

Hense why i am saying that i should be able to save my Small Citadel from griefers like you currently can. Thats whst im saying bro
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#15 - 2015-05-17 03:59:16 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Galphii wrote:
Citadels will have aoe missiles, massive smartbombs, fighters and possibly fighter-bombers. I can understand tearing down current towers, since they suck at combat, but with all those new toys coming along, you might at least consider watching the fireworks.


But that arent automatic. A small corp must have someone online during the attack or lose it. Its unfair that griefers get this advantage


Griefers? What are those. Your words, I believe:

Tyyler thats you terribad LOSSboard.
So stfu before i grief you into quiting you bad player
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#16 - 2015-05-17 07:10:00 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Entosis link, no DPS grind needed, just one frigate with a link and you are all done.

Hense why i am saying that i should be able to save my Small Citadel from griefers like you currently can. Thats whst im saying bro


Don't mind the POS-equivalent turrets fitted on it with all the other EWAR. Smile
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#17 - 2015-05-17 09:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolai Serkanner
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
I cant find info on how long/how easy they are to take down if your coro gets griefdecced.
Is it like current mechanics where you can save your POS from griefdeccers before war goes live?


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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#18 - 2015-05-17 10:00:52 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Entosis link, no DPS grind needed, just one frigate with a link and you are all done.

Hense why i am saying that i should be able to save my Small Citadel from griefers like you currently can. Thats whst im saying bro


You can. Kill the guy with the Entosis link.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#19 - 2015-05-17 10:46:12 UTC
If I'm understanding correctly the tear-down will still be possible. The nano-assemblers demo does talk about repackaging structures after all.

And I guess that (at least for the OP) it's necessary that that be the case because the vulnerability window will be too large for any small corp to be reasonably expected to cover (the OP's Citadel would be in high or lowsec or 'deccers wouldn't be a worry and therefore the window will be the full eighteen hours as there is no means to change the occupancy metrics).
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#20 - 2015-05-17 10:59:34 UTC
From the Shake my Citadel blog...

As such they should:

Repel trolling attempts from a single player trying to capture them with an Entosis module
Act as force multipliers to deal with attacking fleets and promote asymmetric warfare (less defenders are required than attackers)
Have engagement inertia, meaning they require time to acquire and switch targets
Require support from defending fleets to successfully fend off attacks

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

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