Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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There would be less people with multiple accounts, regardless of all you tech savvy nerds saying this won't work. This would be good for the game, however not good for CCPs wallet.

And right, then why bring it up from atop your massive steed.

Imagine an Eve world with zero link alts. That is the Eve world I want to live in. Unfortunately it would be Eve offline, thus why links are never going to be on grid. "Technical limitations" my balls.

*Hey Johnny, how is eve now that you basically only sit on a station, light cynos and wait to get killed?*
*Yo Bert, what's it like to be a fleet ceptor in TiDi?* - *Same as always, burning into any direction creating perches for my fleet, they have a great time though*
*Hey, thanks for scanning this chain and aiming us at those rattlesnakes running sites, sucks you couldn't participate with your alt and were put to see it from your scanner for the 20 minutes it lasted*

With such a change, a big portion of eve pvp would be done by people being paid for it, but else there is no way in hell I'm gonna fly the interceptor/perch-bot for a fleet and end up 3hours on standby without anything happening, while I would've had time to participate in the fight just as everyone else who said *not it* in time.

I can imagine this very well and I do not want it to happen. In particular not for my hauler char who then potentially would have to rely on other players for webbing and cynos, which is something I do not see myself ever to let happen. How well this would end with the ever faster growing level of incompetence as well as the ever growing focus on instant action, instant fun away from tedious and protracted tasks in the game is also something I can imagine very well. I do not see neither myself waiting for some other person to finally take pity on my pleas for webs from Jita to Zinkon. Let alone for things like cynos, which I then had to check with a char before jumping to it in order to ensure that it's in a proper place. This is not going to happen for me.
Moreover, you do not really want to see that, although it will be a lot less people doing it, these less people will have a massive advantage over those who do not or cannot do it. I would certainly try to circumvent it, for the above reasons.

Then why the hell are you playing an MMO to begin with. Even WoW doesn't let you carebear with alts to avoid interaction and cooperation with other people.

Instead of begging someone for webs, consider paying them for their service like you're actually paying someone to work for you doing something. Everyone ignores begging for a reason.

Also, webs were never intended to allow people to insta-warp away and protect them from ganks. It was a side effect of the mechanic, practically an exploit, fortunate if you're someone who wants to find good game mechanic abuse, unfortunate for people that came expecting a fair game.

I play this space sim because I like space sims. I play this Sandbox because I like to play this Sandbox. I play with other players when I decide to do so. I play with other players how I decide to do it. If you see EVE as just another MMO like WOW, then you are the reason why I play the game how I play it. If you see EVE as just another game, you are also among the reasons why I play EVE how I play it. You might also notice that I highlighted Sandbox. I trust you know the definition of sandbox. A hint: It offers choices.

I should paying them? And who pays these expenses for me? Let's see for an example: 3 billion collateral, Jita -Amarr, 15 Million reward. What do you think should I pay a fleet to protect me from Siegfried Cohenberg, the bumper? And by fleet I mean either a couple of capable counter bumpers or 5 Talos to gank him or a fleet of 10-15 T2 logi to rep me when they strike plus a fleet of, let's say, Insta-Canes/Muninns to kill the Catas/Talos/Brutixes when they strike. Of course, I need them to be ready when I need them, not when they have time or feel like it. I also trust you see the kind of disparity in money that I gain from the contract and what I have to pay, for instance, for the Taloses to get rid of the Machariel -- just to point out one glaring flaw in your response.
I'm not begging, I never beg. I ask people to do things for me and I pay them in most cases an appropriate reward for their help (be it shared bounties, loot, transport rewards, fair prices for market items/contracts, and so on); however, my patience is a limited resource and it does not replenish quickly.

Please don't get me started on "fair game". If fair game for you is that people, 1 person mind you, can bump several freighters for hours without any possibility to legally remove him from the field, how is webbing me into warp with several legal game mechanics, and in addition another account that I need to pay for, not "fair game"? And trust me, I recently managed to keep 6 freighters bumped off a gate for prolonged time until the person in question came back to his alt fleet and warped them off. I even was using a sub-optimal ship for doing that. It is very easy to achieve that and I am by far not a professional at bumping.

With this said: Do. Not. Ever. Again. Attempt. To. Tell. Me. How. I. Should. Play. EVE.

Now you lost me. You constantly read from me how I do not trust people and yet you interpret into my words that I would beg in local for webs? You are really exhilarating. Obviously, I mean corp members, alliance members maybe, or some other people I "trust".

I am not assuming anything with regards to bumping. I asked a question with a concrete example where "fair game" comes into play. What you make out of that is up to you. That you choose to not answer the question and instead accuse me of assuming things; however, is answer enough to me.

Yes. EVE is what it is. EVE does not offer any reward for accepting more risk by trusting other people. None whatsoever. Therefore, I use the EVE how it is to suit my gameplay style. If you got a problem with that, come at me and try to get me. I interact and work with lots of other players in EVE all day, either involuntarily or when I chose to do so. And I daresay, even more than you do due to my very varied occupations. This is the sandbox for me and how I like to play EVE and games. EVE is exactly what I want it to be because I can make it what I want it to be. People like you, on the other hand, want to remove that aspect of EVE.
No, I do not see any alternative to EVE. No other game offers me what EVE offers me: Space, interaction when I want it, how I want it, as well as the setting. I do not know any other game that offers this for me (this includes your next answer's Star Citizens, Elite: Dangerous and many others).

As said, who is paying these expenses for me? The 10% cut that people already find too high of a mark up on Jita prices and which already include fuel cost, transportation cost, opportunity cost and so on; effectively reducing the reward for my tedious work to nearly nothing? Or in case of the CC. Who pays me the extra expenses? Nearly no one wants to pay proper hauling rates. It is already an achievement if you get people to pay 1M/jump/billion collateral. And of that money I should pay mercs that are unreliable, have probably other customers that pay premium for better service, leaving me on my own again when I have to do stuff?

I have a brain and I use my brain to the greatest effect in EVE. I work against other players, with other players, around other players or right through them. I have more than enough activity with other players, more than my real-life personalty actually wants to have. Your obnoxiousness, however, is among the reasons why I am very picky with who I work and interact with and who I rather scoff at, and why I rather have my couple of alts and a very limited circle of people around me instead of this social, mass group hype garbage.

So, still no to any limitations. And if such limitations were imposed on me, you can bet that I'd either break the TOSEULA or simply stop playing with as many characters and adjust my gameplay in such a way that still does not need any more interaction than I allow to have.

That would NEVER. HAPPEN.

Anyone halfway competent would know what a VPN is. Anyone who didn't would know someone who did, if they were in a player run corp anyway.

And if, by some miracle, you could stop them doing this, then what would you do about all the perfectly legitimate players who you'd just booted out of the game totally? The ones at uni, the ones who aren't the only EVE player in the house, that sort of thing?

Kind of a high price to pay to nerf links, wouldn't you say?

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