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Velarra
#21 - 2015-04-07 04:44:20 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
You made me to remember that incident about four years ago when literally everyone was locked in their CQs for quite a while because of the faulty keys or something. It, too, said that time something about the atmosphere unsuitable for consumption. People in Jita got so mad, that when they finally undocked, they shot a nearby monument to pieces. I believe the locals still call it "the summer of rage" and fire at the ruins of that statue each time they're unhappy with the authorities.


Fortunately Sadmur Cirshan had her son, Darmad, executed a little while later.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-04-08 16:19:43 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
Ah, Pilot Kim.

As Pilot Mokk says, capsuleers were and are the only real force fighting Sansha's Nation and their incursions.

So far, the closest we have come to a government or CONCORD response is giving capsuleers threat analyses and warnings. In my opinion, this is one hell of a lackluster response.

Now, while it may be premature, capsuleers have begun to respond to what appears to be the next Nation-esque threat: Drifters. While they do not attack unprovoked, true, allowing vessels with that firepower freedom to roam around high-security space would seem to be a bad idea.

If you want to let the most powerful vessels since Sansha's freely roam your space, that's your prerogative; but here in the Republic, we actually learn of the term "preemptive strike". I cannot say I am averse to attacking and/or eliminating the Drifters if at all possible.

I would rather not see us fighting both Nation and Drifter/Sleeper vessels, never mind that they're apparently hostile to each other. Again; if you wish to commit strategic suicide by fighting on two fronts, go ahead. Just don't get between others and their Drifter targets.

As a collary: please do not bring your personal hatred into this. I sincerely doubt the Sleepers care if you're Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, or Minmatar.

I agree with you. Everyone were attacking sleepers, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, and even Amarr. But there is something in common in attackers: they all were capsuleers.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-04-10 19:24:54 UTC
Tristan Valentina wrote:
Hey Kim, good to see you again how is the bigoted racism going today?

You should know it better how bigoted racism is going today, after all, it is you gallentean, not me. Unlike you, we don't participate in bigoted racisms.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-04-21 22:53:09 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
While I have heard reports of them firing on people for trespassing, my own experiments have shown they will not fire or even lock on, even when the ship is right next to theirs. The only way I have observed direct offensive action is after attacking them. And after that, they went about their business.


I have been destroyed several times by Drifters without so much as firing a single shot or even locking them. Even sitting perfectly still in space, a Drifer appeared and destroyed my vessel before I could warp.

All this 'they are harmless as long as you don't agress them' is nonsense
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#25 - 2015-04-21 23:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Merdaneth wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
While I have heard reports of them firing on people for trespassing, my own experiments have shown they will not fire or even lock on, even when the ship is right next to theirs. The only way I have observed direct offensive action is after attacking them. And after that, they went about their business.


I have been destroyed several times by Drifters without so much as firing a single shot or even locking them. Even sitting perfectly still in space, a Drifer appeared and destroyed my vessel before I could warp.

All this 'they are harmless as long as you don't agress them' is nonsense


I believe I did say they would fire on people for tresspassing.

As long as you are not tresspassing and not firing, they are docile.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#26 - 2015-04-22 00:04:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tristan Valentina wrote:
Hey Kim, good to see you again how is the bigoted racism going today?

You should know it better how bigoted racism is going today, after all, it is you gallentean, not me. Unlike you, we don't participate in bigoted racisms.

big·ot·ry

ˈbiɡətrē/

noun

intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

I think you may be wrong here, Kimmy.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-04-22 03:14:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tristan Valentina wrote:
Hey Kim, good to see you again how is the bigoted racism going today?

You should know it better how bigoted racism is going today, after all, it is you gallentean, not me. Unlike you, we don't participate in bigoted racisms.

big·ot·ry

ˈbiɡətrē/

noun

intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

I think you may be wrong here, Kimmy.

Thanks for definition, but it basically proves my point of view. Because I myself tolerant to almost any opinion. What I am intolerant to, is when people start insulting me because of my opinion or insulting great Caldari heroes like Tibus Heth.

And since they start to insult me in conversation, that means they are intolerant to my opinion and thus bigots.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-04-22 03:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Jazmin Dusette wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Really though, every time I try to open it I just get an error message saying that the air is unsuitable for capsuleer consumption. I can call shuttles to take me ground side though.

Hmm, sounds like you may be looking at the wrong interface.

I know sometimes they can be hard to decipher, regional dialects, old stations, etc.

Some interfaces will tell you that you can't venture into the station. The same interface will also tell you that you cannot go ground or planetside, in fact it will go so far as to tell you that you can never actually be face-to-face with another capsuleer.

As we all know, of course, this is all incorrect.

Whenever I can't get out through the door, I use the ventilation ducts..... Actually, I use the ventilation ducts to get around a lot.


After trying, and failing, to open that sodding door with normal passkeys, re-wiring, cutting, shaped charges and 125mm Fusion rounds detonation, I resorted to exit via ventilation ducts.

Here's the odd thing, this happens all the time in every single station I dock in. I swear either someone highly resourceful is pranking me, or there's a conspiracy at work here. Also, what the heck are the walls and doors made of anyway?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2015-05-04 16:50:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tristan Valentina wrote:
Hey Kim, good to see you again how is the bigoted racism going today?

You should know it better how bigoted racism is going today, after all, it is you gallentean, not me. Unlike you, we don't participate in bigoted racisms.

big·ot·ry

ˈbiɡətrē/

noun

intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

I think you may be wrong here, Kimmy.

Thanks for definition, but it basically proves my point of view. Because I myself tolerant to almost any opinion. What I am intolerant to, is when people start insulting me because of my opinion or insulting great Caldari heroes like Tibus Heth.

And since they start to insult me in conversation, that means they are intolerant to my opinion and thus bigots.

So when you call Gallente sub-human filth and call for us to be condemned to what amounts as a Zoo attraction because of our political beliefs and lifestyle, it's not bigotry, but anyone who insults you is a bigot....... Kim, you're a special kind of person.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Kirk Ernaga
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2015-05-14 03:55:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tristan Valentina wrote:
Hey Kim, good to see you again how is the bigoted racism going today?

You should know it better how bigoted racism is going today, after all, it is you gallentean, not me. Unlike you, we don't participate in bigoted racisms.

Thats Ironic given how we caldari are well known for our xenophobia. Just ask the intaki of mordu's legion. Is it too much to hope that people like you on all sides atleast muzzled their hatred long enough too realize that there are bigger and more potent threats out there? I mean they have all this money to pour into this empyrean war but yet they themselves can't do **** about sansha's nation. Lets face it, all of the empires need to take their differences and stick them up their backside or they will keep fighting each other too their own ends.
And before you pull out nationalistic crap, yes I remember the stories of the Old war, and the bombardment of Caldari Prime. You will also remember that we bombed nouvelle rouvenor, killing millions. Yes there was death squads in black rise, we also held a world of billions at gun point with a leviathan. Lets face it, if you want to make this about old sins then we match them tit for tat the whole way, and the senselessness needs to stop on both sides. Especially because the neither the drifters or the nation give a rats ass wither your Caldari or Gallente.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-05-14 04:27:45 UTC
Kirk Ernaga wrote:
that we bombed nouvelle rouvenor

Didn't know you were a Dragonaur.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kirk Ernaga
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2015-05-14 05:48:51 UTC
No more then I am a gallente. But by your own logic if we aren't responsible for that then the Gallente are responsible for a crashing nyx into a ishukone station (which they are)
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-05-14 06:08:14 UTC
Kirk Ernaga wrote:
No more then I am a gallente. But by your own logic if we aren't responsible for that then the Gallente are responsible for a crashing nyx into a ishukone station (which they are)

Please don't try to judge me if you can't understand basic principles of logic.

Nouvelle Rouvenor was finished by Templis Dragonaors, who have admitted in this.
Nyx into Ishukone Station was wrecked by Federal Navy's Admiral Noir. Somehow gallente's navy didn't have courage to admit in this.

Those, who bombed N.R. has died just like Noir did.
But people keep calling Templis as terrorists even after 200 years, and if not speaking about actual terrorists who died back then, those, who have admitted, has died long ago as well.
Then same peoples must call Federal Navy as terrorists now as well, otherwise they would be idiots and hypocrites.

But the fact is that Dragonaors are independent organization, and Federal Navy is a gallente military force.
That's why bombing of N.R. can't be considered as action of the State/Caldari whole, and that's why we can blame gallente in Malkalen tragedy.

Moreover, bombing of N.R. was caused by desperation of planetary blockade, while Noir's terror act was just because of blind hatred and racism.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kirk Ernaga
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2015-05-14 06:20:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kirk Ernaga wrote:
No more then I am a gallente. But by your own logic if we aren't responsible for that then the Gallente are responsible for a crashing nyx into a ishukone station (which they are)

Please don't try to judge me if you can't understand basic principles of logic.

Nouvelle Rouvenor was finished by Templis Dragonaors, who have admitted in this.
Nyx into Ishukone Station was wrecked by Federal Navy's Admiral Noir. Somehow gallente's navy didn't have courage to admit in this.

Those, who bombed N.R. has died just like Noir did.
But people keep calling Templis as terrorists even after 200 years, and if not speaking about actual terrorists who died back then, those, who have admitted, has died long ago as well.
Then same peoples must call Federal Navy as terrorists now as well, otherwise they would be idiots and hypocrites.

But the fact is that Dragonaors are independent organization, and Federal Navy is a gallente military force.
That's why bombing of N.R. can't be considered as action of the State/Caldari whole, and that's why we can blame gallente in Malkalen tragedy.

Moreover, bombing of N.R. was caused by desperation of planetary blockade, while Noir's terror act was just because of blind hatred and racism.

I can certainly call admiral noir a terrorist in fact I do, however he was acting openly agian the wishes of the federation navy, as it was a peace talk with the most liberal caldari corporation to deliver the minmatar a cure for VitoC. So yes his action were only in his own interest, hence I do not hold an entire military responsible for the violent actions of one man.
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-05-14 13:17:14 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Capsuleers fired the first shots in this conflict. Never forget that.


For once that's not the case.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#36 - 2015-05-14 13:57:13 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Capsuleers fired the first shots in this conflict. Never forget that.


For once that's not the case.


can you please explain?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#37 - 2015-05-14 16:18:52 UTC
Capsuleers were shooting those Circadians long before their big brothers turned up Kithrus.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-05-14 17:03:11 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Capsuleers were shooting those Circadians long before their big brothers turned up Kithrus.


Before that

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-05-14 20:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
Before that, when Amarrian capsuleers began ripping hardware out of Sleeper corpses?

I don't often agree strongly with Commander Kim, and even less frequently with pilot Polevhia. However in this case I do strongly agree that, while the Drifters do indeed pose a potential threat that should not be ignored, there are other dangers that are clearly a threat to all human life - capsuleer and baseliner alike - that should be addressed first.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#40 - 2015-05-14 21:18:25 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Capsuleers were shooting those Circadians long before their big brothers turned up Kithrus.


Before that


Ok, you've lost me.

or are you referring to the main sequence events?

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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