Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am very, very disappointed with the Jackdaw in it's current iteration. It's velocity is utterly laughable, even in "propulsion mode" (I wouldn't call it that). It's base speed in general is horrific, it handles like a paralyzed manatee on a frozen pond, and unlike the Confessor and Svipul it is forced to rely on a MWD for "speed" (don't make me laugh; 2km/s with a 1mn MWD vs. nearly 3km/s with a 10mn AB on the other two? What a joke, those two aren't even affected by points, the Jackdaw is and it's so much slower!)

Powergrid feels unreasonably tight, and there is so much CPU I literally don't know how I could possibly fill all of it meaningfully. Signature radius is enough that it's increased tank doesn't feel like it means very much at all. Only one option for a utility high instead of two. Significantly lower DPS than the other two T3 destroyers as well with close-range weapons.

Cripes. Literally the only positive thing you've given this ship is what I personally think is a very aesthetically pleasing hull design. You really weren't kidding when you said "a slow cruiser"- feels like a quick/average battlecruiser to me outside of propulsion mode. I cannot state clear enough my disappointment with this thing. I can't help but imagine as it limps out of station and tries it's hardest to turn outside of propulsion mode that it is begging me to be merciful and drive it into the sun, ending its misery.

Please- make it faster and more agile, if you do nothing else to its stats. It cannot hold a candle to the other two T3 destroyers in this state- it is a joke.

It would make for a more sustainable game. Release stuff that is just a hair under where it should be balanced, then see how the community breaks it just for being the new shiny, and push it up a tad in the next release, based on whatever leaves it flavored as intended but makes it perform at parity.
For example, release this as is. If speed or PG are as big an issue as people think it will be, a small speed buff (10-20m/s) and 1 or 2 PG in the next patch.

I guess it is fair to balance a ship around it's absolute maximum peformance because if that is your balancing point then you will never have anyone going above your design specs.

It has to be said so the common rabble understand is that t2 is not the yard stick by which all ships are measured, pirate and officer is.

The speed/agility on this ship is so bad, none of destroyer class ships are this slow. Or maybe it is intended for it to be the least used of the 4 T3 destroyers?

Exactly.

The fit in these quotes are the purview of eft warriors and high sec 'PvPers'.

Meanwhile, in the real world the ship is meh.

The ship isn't amazing yeah. On sisi I saw one kill a confessor but with sisi it's practically impossible to determine who has links or not.

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Eh. I just can't get hyped any more. Probably cancel my sub at this rate.

As it stands, this will be the only t3 destroyer to not receive a 66% speed boost (assuming the hecate retains its slated bonuses). That alone is troubling to me. However, that fact coupled with the incredibly prenerfed, and I do not use that term lightly, base speed (and to a lesser degree it has prenerfed agility) this ship is really a joke in speed mode.

With a MWD in speed mode this ship does align with incredible ease, no doubt about it, no complaints. However, the agility is largely irrelevant due to this ship being slower than anything it will ever engage _period_dot_com_.

Tooling around with the ship on sisi I think the fitting is more than ample for what I would consider "reasonable" fittings. The dps does tend to be a bit low in general however, which is somewhat annoying as this ship is relegated to brawling, where dps is much more important. Seeing a larger damage bonus on the base hull (5% damage _and_ rate of fire). Double BCU with rage rockets is barely topping 320 dps. Your garden variety arty svipul does slightly less (about 30) dps, and a beam confessor dwarfs this ship's dps with around 430 dps with multifrequency _cold_. To top it off, both of those ships would outrange a rage fitted jackdaw, and would be significantly faster regardless of the prop mod they chose to fit.

Just because the svipul is still the most popular ship in the game, and still does too much dps doesn't mean the jackdaw should be punished for it.

The fitting on the jackdaw is fine. It needs more speed _or_ more damage but not both. Six mid slots is still silly. Is this ship supposed to always fit 2 webs to make up for its low speed?

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Oh look!

Just pretend that Tech 3 cruisers don't exist and everything will be fine, and nevermind dem three buttan Modes.

Mark my words, the Propulsion mode velocity bonuses on the Confessor and Svipul will be reviewed before long.



Get out.

sure if you want to ignore the actual shield hp role bonus this ship has thats always on and boosts all extenders by 50 percent and the fact it fits fewer launchers so comes out beating the flycatcher on powergrid.

Seeing as this is the default T3D thread now, I propose the following:

Reduce the velocity bonus in Propulsion mode on both the Svipul and the Confessor from,

Propulsion Mode:
66.6% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active

to

Propulsion Mode:
50% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active

And then adjust the Inertia one on the Jackdaw to reflect it,

Propulsion Mode:
33.3% bonus to max velocity while Propulsion Mode is active
66.6% bonus to ship inertia modifier while Propulsion Mode is active

to

Propulsion Mode:
33.3% bonus to max velocity while Propulsion Mode is active
50% bonus to ship inertia modifier while Propulsion Mode is active

On balance, Jackdaw will remain slower by some 100 m/s against the Confessor and around 450 m/s slower than the Svipul with an MWD, all the while reducing cancer.