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ISK sellers, mechnisms and petitions.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#1 - 2011-10-23 17:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Key words [or phrases] are easy for search algorithms to find. Why not delay certain mails, especially with mass recipients, check that it is ISK spam, stop the mail going through and ban them?
(Just look at Yahoo. I haven't had spam come through to my Inbox in years.)

Quick reporting of mails, like with the bots in channels, have it hide all the mass mails until they have been checked by a GM when they are reported.

Petitioning them, can you have a first option for it? "Spam / ISK seller" and it automatically fills in the second one. I don't know where I am meant to file those petitions and that doesn't make it easy for someone.

More information spreading. As I was discussing with a GM, players think that they will get banned because they were sent bad ISK. No. The ISK will be removed, you will be thanked and the cretins will be banned.

Surely you guys know where and who is sending this spam? Block their IP? Block their credit cards? Investigate them and crush their bots and bank characters?
I would hunt these swine down and ban them just for fun!

There is also auditing code that you can use, watch the flow of money. "Why is these people who have had no prior contact exchanging vast sums of ISK?" or "Why is this on character giving away vast amounts to many strangers?" as examples.

Edit: Bots can also be detected by the timing of their repeated tasks, while humans are too messy. For example, it is unlikely that they are going to bot mine in PVP ships, so they can be left out of the server side code for this /Edit.

(Yeah, yeah. CCP are a business and they want the ISK farmers to pay for their accounts. They are probably getting PLEX via their bots from all their ISK and they are hurting CCPs business of selling PLEX and game time.)

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#2 - 2011-10-24 15:15:49 UTC
Was that post so complete or does no one care?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#3 - 2011-10-27 14:51:58 UTC
What?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2011-12-27 21:22:16 UTC
Both counts on why you're not getting replies. It was a complete and reasonable post, but I also don't think enough Eve players (or enough of the F&I forum warriors) are affected by the spam mail.

The trouble with tracking moneyflow is the amount of metagaming and alts that there are in Eve. Take lotteries, for example. From the server's perspective, that amounts to players sending money to someone they have had no contact with before. Or, for another example, what if someone has a very lucrative ISK-making scheme going on an alt (be it legit or scammy) and they transfer large amounts of ISK to their main from there? What if those two are on different accounts?

These instances are too common for plain monitoring of ISK-giving to work.

I do not have a better idea, though.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#5 - 2011-12-27 21:37:32 UTC
Lotteries would have a lot of chat logs for GMs to bring up and check. Alts would usually share the same IP address as the router.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2011-12-27 21:41:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Lotteries would have a lot of chat logs for GMs to bring up and check. Alts would usually share the same IP address as the router.


There aren't even close to enough GMs for that to be practical.

IP address is unreliable. Your ISP might randomly change your IP, or you might log on from elsewhere. At the very least, I know I log in from computers other than my home one and conduct transactions that at first glance seem suspicious P

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#7 - 2011-12-27 21:47:52 UTC
Code can compare and lotteries are also lots of amounts going into one player then one amount going out. GMs would be checking what ever gets flagged.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2011-12-27 21:51:39 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Code can compare and lotteries are also lots of amounts going into one player then one amount going out. GMs would be checking what ever gets flagged.


Someone selling botted ISK would also look like lots of characters giving ISK to one, then that one giving the ISK out.

I can do this all day. There being so many ways to legitimately play Eve is the reason those who cheat are so hard to catch.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#9 - 2011-12-27 21:54:38 UTC
... and yet ... the large amounts from the ISK sellers don't have a lottery ticket purchased and there is no ISK or goods being given to the ISK seller.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2011-12-27 21:59:46 UTC
People launder(ed?) money in real life through lotteries all the time. Eve lotteries can be easily faked by anyone with any degree of web development ability. The in-game "paper trail" can be made to look like an authentic lottery.

Heck, you could even have an authentic lottery, but that has a back-room way to rig it so that you pay its owner RL money to win it. CCP can't track that.

... Sigh, now I had that idea I really want to implement it, but I like Eve and respect it too much to do it.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#11 - 2011-12-27 23:06:50 UTC
How would you let EVE players know about it and what would stop CCP find out about them in the same way?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2011-12-27 23:13:28 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
How would you let EVE players know about it and what would stop CCP find out about them in the same way?


Same question goes for existing RMT sites.

I guess I'll write the website in Russian P

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#13 - 2011-12-27 23:15:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
How would you let EVE players know about it and what would stop CCP find out about them in the same way?


Same question goes for existing RMT sites.

I guess I'll write the website in Russian P


See the translation thread. P

Once they have the skills they can use website searches to crawl in all languages. Big smile

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2011-12-27 23:19:56 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
How would you let EVE players know about it and what would stop CCP find out about them in the same way?


Same question goes for existing RMT sites.

I guess I'll write the website in Russian P


See the translation thread. P

Once they have the skills they can use website searches to crawl in all languages. Big smile


I was suggesting more that using Russian gives websites a magical protective shield against RMT detection.

In other news, why the hell are we two people conversing in a thread? Also I'm going home, so don't expect an answer anytime soon.

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