Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The resists are in line with the other T3Ds. Right now I see where they went with this one, they wanted a slow, tanky destroyer.

Of course to make the most of the tank you are giving up DPS slots in the form of Rigs and 1/2 the low slots . Also to get the strong tank requires you to be in Defense mode which means you are really slow with anything other than a MWD which is blooming your signature significantly.

So, I have to disagree and say it is pretty balanced looking. Personally I would prefer it was a faster, if that meant a little less tank, that might be a fair trade.

Even the stuff I just threw together yesterday on two toons with caldari tac II has been a whole lot of fun. Combat probes, mwd, point, web, light missiles with supposedly 250+dps at V and already 18k ehp just make it a very versatile ship. Fitting compromises pay off immensly for this ship, simply being able to podla around nigh capstable with mwd/invuln/point running on a destroyer is awesome.
They will clearly be less proficient at 1v1 compared to confessor and svipul, but for anything skirmishy, they are promising
The speed is quite low, but with a nano and links you're still looking at 2.7-2.8km/s cold. Couple that with LMLs, a 31km point and you really got something.

Regarding the feel of flying one or boxing two, this is by far the best T3D till now. It's versatile and most certainly not OP, and till now flying two or three of them in a gang seems very beasty since only one of them has to burn close to point, while the others can keep projecting from 50+.

The sigradius though: True to that. Atleast put a mwd-sigrad reduction into the defensive mode.

or, you know, a cheap 1-2 % PG implant with good skills.

So since it's supposed to be slow as people have said, I guess we got a tanky, delayed damage gate camper in our hands. Sniper mode will let you get fast locks I guess...

Also it looks like its going to be slower than all t1 attack cruisers, even in speed mode with 1mn mwd. Isn't that kindof...... too slow for a t3 dessie in "speed mode"?

Or maybe the cruisers need a speed nerf, those orthrus, cynabals, stabber fleets, omen navies, omens, stabbers etc...... are all as fast or faster than the t3ds nowdays.

I was thinking the same thing really. I am voicing the areas I see might need attention, but I am not demanding that changes be made prior to release. Hopefully a couple weeks after release they will have a feel for it balance and can tweak it favorably. Or as it gets some SISI use, they might make small tweaks before final release and then see if more small tweaks are needed.

I kinda got the feeling they went more conservative here, with the expectation that they would tweak it upwards. It's win win for them. If they leave it, no one yells nerf. If the tweak it upwards no one yells nerf.

You comparing Apple's and Hamburgers, they're nothing at all alike. You can't compare T3 destroyers to cruisers, honestly I'm glad you did though because doing so invalidates any point or arguement you may have had.

Cancer era is coming to a close.

Just you wait and see.

Okay, but they don't start with resists like AF and HAC resists, they start with somewhere between T1 and T2 HAC/AF.
The Hawk and Cerberus start with 0 / 80 / 70 / 50 Jackdaw starts with 0 / 60 / 55 / 50. So outside of Def mode they are weaker than T2 Assault ships.

Most T2 assault ships can have a very strong resist profile with just a couple mods/rigs just like the T3Ds. You add the same mods/rigs on the AF/HAC and the resist profile is going to be close. The only difference is that the T2 need to fill the EM better vs defense mode. Out of defense mode the T2 ships should have a better resist profile.

Hence the tactical mode of the destroyer where it is weaker outside of the mode but potentially better in it. You can't look at the ship in each mode and say how it is better than other ships. You have to weigh what you are giving up not being in another mode at the same time.

Going beyond resists and looking at these 3 ship types:

Are T3D a good replacement for T2 Frigates? Yes, in many cases. Does that make it broken? No. It is a ship class and tier up. Does a HAC beat out T1/T2 destroyers? Yes. Of course T2D are special use ships, but the pattern holds.

Now, a T3D should not hands down beat HACs, they should be competitive with each other though. Most HACs have more DPS and Tank than T3D. T3D have more mobility and speed... well they did, they got brought down a notch, and the Jackdaw will be slower than some cruisers but a more competitive tank.

I just don't see the gross imbalance you do with the current ships in the game prior to T3D. Are T3D flavor of the month, and finding good success? Yes. But new ships and ship classes tend to get used more. Things will settle down eventually. People will get used to pros and cons of the T3D and be better equipped to counter them.

One poster brought up that 3 T1 frigates for a fraction of the cost of a T3D can beat a T3D. Don't expect to bring out any T1/T2 Frig/Des, 1 on 1 and expect to have the upper hand against a T3D of similar human pilot skills. That is the game. If you want to take down an equally skilled pilot you will need to be better in the moment or bring a better ship. If that means you have to ship up to a HAC or Pirate cruiser to gain the advantage well, again, that is the game.

If anything I would say the the T3D is best in class for the price. So either match the T3D with a T3D or up class to more expensive cruiser. Or bring 2 friends in cheap ships and enjoy the isk ratio win.

Just tried this on SiSi. Confirmed 2728ms 10mn AB (1 overdrive ,skirm link, HG snakes. Corelum C-type AB will probably move this up to an A-type after patch to get more speed). The agility is amazing can pull off a 5km orbit at ~1700ms and only slings me out to about 9000m. Scram, Web, injector, 1 EM hard, and medium active booster.

I welcome this new addition to my hangar of viable meaningful ships come patch date. Thank you CCP.