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Trade menu is fail

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seany1212
M Y S T
#21 - 2011-12-27 17:15:15 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
There is a real life modification that allows a Toyota mr2 to look like q defeating (testarossa?), the owner can the chose to sell it as such, you are the moronic customer that chose not to research into your product because you thought you were getting an exceptional deal. Right click, show info for a reason


In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.


As is murder on the epic scale that is PVP in eve, going to lock them all up for life too?
El Boracho
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-12-27 17:18:47 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
There is a real life modification that allows a Toyota mr2 to look like q defeating (testarossa?), the owner can the chose to sell it as such, you are the moronic customer that chose not to research into your product because you thought you were getting an exceptional deal. Right click, show info for a reason


In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.


If there were consequences IRL for misrepresentation then every politician in every country in the world would be in big trouble.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#23 - 2011-12-27 17:50:50 UTC
When in doubt, right click!
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-27 18:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
Vissari Nolen wrote:
While sitting in station tonight i recieved an eve mail from some one named Tyrone Bigams

right from the start it was obvious something was up,

i'd buy a couple of his ships for resale purposes.

How to fail at giving your money away cluelessly. Welcome to EVE. Here are a few steps you have to relize.

1. How the hell would you trust someone you don't know and suddenly sends an email saying he is selling ships just because he is going to nullsec. Why is he selling direct at below cost? Oh, thats right...to good to be true. Put on market, set price below lowest sell order (like 10-15 mil and it will go fast), and just walk away because someone, somewhere will buy it, and isk will appear in the wallet be it 15 minutes or 3 days later. And for you...it was to good to be true so you just had to grab it Roll

2. Why didn't you trust that feeling? Your spidey senses go off, a kick to the balls makes you cough, and you still didn't trust your basic instint: Its too good to be true! Its mine!

3. Greed. Greed and trust are the two aspects that rule over EVE. Greed is the nitwits spamming local with contracts or saying they are selling items at extreme discounts...these guys want your isk. Trust is your naivety over ruling your brain and let your greedy erection for isk kick in...why do you give trust away like a cheerleader with her cherry? Your greed to resell let him earn just enough trust from you to hit that accept button without checking the ships in the window.

The easiest way to avoid scams: If its to good to be true, it f*cking is and your best best is to just walk away. Don't try to get fast cash, because you will lose in the end. Don't talk to people you don't know and don't look at local chat in the trade hubs, use contract menu because filters will keep the bad contracts out most of the time, always/always/always! check the numbers 3 times, and never fall for email from people you don't know Roll
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2011-12-27 19:21:11 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
There is a real life modification that allows a Toyota mr2 to look like q defeating (testarossa?), the owner can the chose to sell it as such, you are the moronic customer that chose not to research into your product because you thought you were getting an exceptional deal. Right click, show info for a reason


In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.


As is murder on the epic scale that is PVP in eve, going to lock them all up for life too?

I think you completely misunderstood my point.

IN REAL LIFE, there are consequences...EVE ISN'T REAL LIFE...

See it now?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2011-12-27 19:21:57 UTC
El Boracho wrote:
If there were consequences IRL for misrepresentation then every politician in every country in the world would be in big trouble.

The dudes who write the laws have ways of evading those laws. News at 11.

Your argument doesn't negate the fact that it's against the law to defraud someone.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
seany1212
M Y S T
#27 - 2011-12-27 19:34:20 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
There is a real life modification that allows a Toyota mr2 to look like q defeating (testarossa?), the owner can the chose to sell it as such, you are the moronic customer that chose not to research into your product because you thought you were getting an exceptional deal. Right click, show info for a reason


In real life, there are consequences for misrepresenting a product. If you list it as something it isn't you've committed fraud and can be in serious trouble.

Eve isn't real life, and we shouldn't be trying to emulate this boring world.


As is murder on the epic scale that is PVP in eve, going to lock them all up for life too?

I think you completely misunderstood my point.

IN REAL LIFE, there are consequences...EVE ISN'T REAL LIFE...

See it now?


I was for the trade window scam, not against it lol!
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#28 - 2011-12-27 19:39:51 UTC
If a deal is too good to be true, then most likely it is. Why would people sell plexes or other items for below market prices if they needed quick isk. They could simply just sell to the buy orders and be done with it.


I don't bother reading jita local as its filled with nothing but degenerates and isk farmer spam.


Infact I think the whole jita local should be muted, imagine how much bandwidth CCP could save if they simply closed the entire local.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-27 20:02:07 UTC
Vissari Nolen wrote:
a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.


No, the problem is your own stupidity. Welcome to EvE, this is normal behavior, it isn't a bug and infact everything is working as intended. Always, always, always, double check contracts, anything in a trade window, or anything floating in space.

I'm sure this was an expensive lesson, and one you won't soon forget.
Vissari Nolen
The Special Snowflakes
#30 - 2011-12-27 20:09:09 UTC
i really fail to see how a trade window that is able to blatantly misrepresent items and essentially LIE to those using it is my fault. at all. of course there were ways to verify that it was the right ship, such as skin tags and show info. but it should not have been necessary for me to do any of those things in the first place and i did not think to do them based on the assumption that the trade window would display accurate information in the first place. i don't think that is unreasonable.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2011-12-27 20:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Vissari Nolen wrote:

the general purpose of this post was to let let people know about some obviously messed up things with the trade menu. i personally will never use it again. but a game that has a system you should never use for fear of getting scammed shouldn't have the system in the first place. either fix it or remove it. don't leave it there for people to take advantage of.



Market PvP and Scamming are a part of the Game Mechanics put into it by CCP.

This is absoloutely legit.

Had you right clicked on those icons in the Trade Window, you would have seen what they really are.

Sorry, but YOU screwed up.

Game is indeed working as intended.

In fact CCP advertises this fact quite joyfully : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=6&feature=plpp_video

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vissari Nolen
The Special Snowflakes
#32 - 2011-12-27 20:40:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vissari Nolen wrote:

the general purpose of this post was to let let people know about some obviously messed up things with the trade menu. i personally will never use it again. but a game that has a system you should never use for fear of getting scammed shouldn't have the system in the first place. either fix it or remove it. don't leave it there for people to take advantage of.



Market PvP and Scamming are a part of the Game Mechanics put into it by CCP.

This is absoloutely legit.

Had you right clicked on those icons in the Trade Window, you would have seen what they really are.

Sorry, but YOU screwed up.

Game is indeed working as intended.


of course i made a mistake, there were ways to verify the information. but unfortunately i made the reasonable assumption and apparent mistake of trusting CCP to design a trade window that would display accurate information. i don't see a problem with making that assumption either.
Barakkus
#33 - 2011-12-27 22:57:35 UTC
Vissari Nolen wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Working as intended. The ships don't even have the same skins. You are the problem... Next time right click show info. Welcome to Eve.

Protip>Don't read Jita local until you been playing 4 years


a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.


Those things displayed exactly what the items were named. Your fault for not being able to distinguish what the item type was...the names were perfectly displayed without error.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Vissari Nolen
The Special Snowflakes
#34 - 2011-12-27 23:25:27 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Vissari Nolen wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Working as intended. The ships don't even have the same skins. You are the problem... Next time right click show info. Welcome to Eve.

Protip>Don't read Jita local until you been playing 4 years


a trade window not properly displaying the names of the items is the problem, not the person using it. i shouldn't have to carefully scrutinize everything put into the window and STILL be paranoid about using it. i am not the problem, the overly exploited trade window is. as for the skins comment i suppose that would be something a more experienced player would catch, but as i said this more refers to newer players like myself who don't even fly shinies.


Those things displayed exactly what the items were named. Your fault for not being able to distinguish what the item type was...the names were perfectly displayed without error.


they were named something other than what they were, and displaying the improper name, therefore they were labeled as something other than what the item actually was. improper labeling of items in a trade window is not acceptable
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
#35 - 2011-12-27 23:45:32 UTC
Anyone that has ever assembled a ship should know you can rename it. Ignorance is no excuse.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#36 - 2011-12-27 23:47:53 UTC
To the OP your issue has been debunked and has been found that you are dumb.The thread topic has now been changed to boobs and or other random sexual stuffs
Taiwanistan
#37 - 2011-12-28 01:39:45 UTC
lol posting about it just makes it worse

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Shepherd Steelringer
#38 - 2011-12-28 01:45:06 UTC
I laughed

OP you are the 1,000,000th visitor! Click 'like' to redeem your prize!

It's not "alot". It's not "allot". It's "a lot". Two words.

Congratulations. You just levelled up in real life.
Lapsang Souchong Grey
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-12-28 01:58:38 UTC
Faction ships can be identified by the little green tab in the top left corner.
Right clicking and "Show Info" would have also shown this was not a faction ship.

You got conned.
You learned a lesson (hopefully).
Stop talking about it.
Stop trying to change it because you feel bitter.
Don't do it again.

PS. Welcome to EVE ;)
P3ROXIDE
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2011-12-28 02:01:36 UTC
I have a charon for sale for only 600 million isk. Just open a trade window with me and make sure you accept it quickly.