Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sorry but restricting a ship to just wormholes make no since at all either through lore or any other medium. All or nothing dear. Not just for those special snowflakes in WH's.

PS: wormholes are supposed to be difficult to occupy without huge logistics. So building your dreads/carriers will remain the same. Unless you wish to mine and buy the blueprints to do it yourself.

So much this. The fact that battleships are inferior to various other ships in pretty much all respects is pretty crappy. Only exception being Marauders. I am hoping for a significant Battleship rework/rebalance soon.

Absolutely nailed it.

They can already easily get 180k, rather than the 40k that cruisers get and the 80k that battlecruisers get.

Would be interesting to see t3 battleships come out of this Drifter business. Could make t3 cruisers closer to battlecruisers in mass (mobility modified by nav subs) and have t3 battleships be a bit heftier than normal battleships on average. Make them cost around as much as a dread with the right subs and such and OP has what they're looking for.

I too wondered why I'm supposed to train jumpskills so high if I can't even jump. Now, you don't even need a jump drive anymore, since caps can take gates. Should replace those 30d of JD training with 30d of universally applicable skills for the ship, like capital local repairs to IV, siege/triage to IV, racial turret IV or capital remote assistance modules to IV, and then the prereqs to those to replace those 30d training time.

You don't need a JD to make use of a carrier/dread, but you do need the siege/triage and either dps or RR skills.



A battleship fitted for 180k ehp corresponds to a 70k ehp cruiser or a 130k ehp CBC roughly. The small ones also got identical dps compared to the battleship, albeit slightly less range.

So...I dont get your argument, you are happy that there is a time sink..? Well, I am not. Hence, my post on the forum.

1 ) skills: you are newer im guessing. The requirements for jump drives were not always there. But when they were not that was because both dreads and carriers required the racial battleship at five. This is now three so you save about 40 days there. This was a side effect of CCP deciding to get to 5 is only needed for t2 stuff. They did not want a month reduction on carrier training time so they put it on a skill all capital pilots should have anyways. Also dreads require only jump drive op 1 and no jump fuel calibration. So you got your month reduction there. Drive op 1 prereqs on nav 5 and warpdrive 5 which everyone will have if they are more then a couple months old nd wnt to be able to keep up with friends.

2) size and mass. This wont cause a change. You will just hve more blap small things nd more triage smalls vs less big ones. Also you make the point that small holes cant ever fit regular caps. since bigger holes can fit capitals in though i either must ban them from all holes, or force everyobe to train the jump skills as a c6 dread can go to k space. Lower max mass to 930k and we will also lock out jump freighters too since we don't want jump drives. Locks out regular freighters too as they are the same mass.

3) this point I'll give you. Lived in a c3 nd c5 for six months each. Manufacturing is a pain. But im taking it. Back as i just masslocked your freighters out in point two when i locked out stuff with jump drives like you want. Now logistics are done with trnsports and industrials only.

4) wormhole only. Nope. 0.0 is called lawless for a reason. Currently the only law we follow is paying DED for sov bills. And that goes out the window when you look at npc null. Pretty sure sansha or blood raiders dont care what concord thinks.

5) pve escalations. Sure. But only 3 or 4 bs. Not the full six. The ship is not as big and scary as its full size model. Nor will it cost as much if we rip the jump drive components out.

I'm falling in love with what you said. Reminds me a beatifull woman i've used to meet once and got similar feelings. But later on i realized i was mistaken.

Buffing up BS in turms of what you said would turn it to the whinnings and rumors that frigs cruisers and battlecruisers need more love from hp/dps pov etc etc. With so many threads about current gaps the BS class has and suggestions i'm really up to consider another sub cap class like attack bc do to fill that gap.

I like the idea of battle Orca.

Just FYI i lived in wormholes for a good slice of my last while as a player, I have 2 chars both of which can fly carriers and my new char i picked HIS VERY NAME so i could make a pun with the name of his carrier.

you dont "get a skill you dont want" you "get a skill you dont often use" big difference, Frenzy doesn't often USE "fleet commander 5" but i do have it... And jump freighters are terribly usefull if you want to go and pick up the mail in highsec and buy some beers. And if you cannot afford a JF well a carrier can do the same job if a little worse...

EDIT: A capital ship is DEFINED by its Jump drive almost as much as by the guns and fighter(bomber)s so if you want some kind of DPS orca i fail to see a real USE other then "but i want one".

How about you come up with some stats, a projected cost "it aught to cost about X mineral value" and THEN we can discuss that ship instead of just telling you to that CAPITAL SHIPS HAVE JUMPDRIVES M'Kay?