Ships & Modules

Anyone who has ever flown a battleship in the EVE Universe, will understand what I mean when I say they are the most riskiest thing to fly with the least amount of reward. Pilots of battleships are flying a slow moving, inaccurate glass cannon(even when properly T2/faction fit.) Pilots of almost every other combat ship class can survive better than a battleship. As it stands now battleships are an under classed vessel that is surely losing it's place in the game.

The first reason why battleships are worthless is, they have the most trouble hitting targets. Since the game is based on smaller+faster = miss to larger guns, Battleships carrying the largest guns miss everything smaller than it. Now players can manipulate fittings and rigs to make it easier to hit a smaller ships, but no amount of fittings will make a battleship efficient at hitting small targets.

Second, battleships move slow. Some would argue that a larger(mass) ship should move slower, and they are correct. But using this methodology, a ship that is 100x more massive, has only 17x times more armor. Now why would things scale so differently in armor? Because, the game designers want battleships to die to smaller ships. This quote from Evelopedia: "Smaller swarms of ships are able to overwhelm the battleships systems and larger capitol ships with sufficient tracking can be accurate enough to cause quite serious damage, ..." The truth is that, any smaller combat ship can destroy a battleship, and they are designed to be destroyed by larger capital ships too.

Battleships now have the role of PVE combat ships, in PVP they are liabilities. Don't waste your skill points. The thousands of skill points wasted on battleships would be better spent in cruiser or other skills.



EDIT:
Battleships cause this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHqFgn4SOw

Good day for a good Man.

I still belive in a statement that there are no bad ships but a lot of pilots who can't fly those well.

A gang of frigs could catch and take down a lonely battleship. True.

A gang of battleships could catch and take down a lonely frig. False?

Battleships are very, very, very, very Important in the current Wormhole meta and are a must have train to at least level 1.

(we use them to collapse wormholes)

So, the real question is:
What can be done to fix this horrendous issue?

A game that provides 22+ years of skilling, should not top out at cruiser hulls.

So a battleship is like using a shoe when a hammer is not around? The obvious instrument for bashing structures is the dread.

As it stands, and with few exceptions, battleships are PvE boats. End of story. As the contributions above suggest, Battleship value in PvP is pretty much relegated to structure bashing and perhaps some niche fleets (supercap killing?). But, for L4's, the 2 best ships I can think of are battleships - Machariel and Rattlesnake. That is their most well-suited role, high end PvE. Sure, you can do L4's in a Tengu or a Gila, but I can do it faster in a Mach or 'Snake. Given the PvE is purely a money-making endeavor, efficiency is king. Those BB's will do it more efficiently in almost all respects - the only exception to that being blitzing, at which point you go get a T3 for the speed.

Let's also not forget Incursions - where the Nightmare is king.

That said, I do wish Battleships had a bigger role in the game. Certainly more than the niche role it seems to have. Unfortunately, given the cost of buying/fitting and the immense amount of skill training required to fit them properly, they are unlikely to play a bigger role in PvP at this time. Maybe ever. As for PvE, their place is secure and unlikely to be obsoleted any time soon.

There are a lot of uses for Battleships then what you are eluding to,

Yes they do need tweaked, I'll agree to that. BUT they all have very good uses. I'll cover what I know,

Domi's and Geddons make for great POS bashers. The Spider RR tank they can field is more then enough to handle defending gangs and the POS weapons systems.

Any RHML fitted battleship with wreck small cruiser gangs,

Ravens ARE the PVE boats,

Hype's are good DPS ships in small local repped defending fleets.

The Mega is a very good gank ship, a good fleet ship, and overall a very well balanced BS

The 90% web Vindi can easily take out smaller targets.

A Shield Mach is a war machine.

The Bhaal is irreplaceable in Wormhole Defensive fleets, and anti-cap roles.

The Nestor is a mini-carrier and reps just about as much as full blown carrier.

The Rattlesnake can dish out some HEAVY Dps with it's drones.

The Navy Mega is a slightly better Mega,

The Navy Domi can get upwards of like 1700DPS so it very easy to gank with.

Scorp Navy issue is a shield brick.

Like really. They hav uses. Saying that they are not important to have at least one of these ships is limiting yourself.

The Battleships that have problems, Are the Rokh which is outperformed by the Naga. The Scorpion which is outperformed by the Rook and Falcon, And I've personally haven't had the chance to mess around with the Matar battleships, so I can't go into that.

But what I'm trying to say is. They are not as bad as you say they are.

EDIT: Also Judging by the Typhoon you lost, I really don't think you have any idea how to fly Battleships to begin with.

EDIT2: And the Tempest.

The L4 **** is because of warpspeed, not because of performance, application or dps.
That's why the Mach is still a top tier mission runner. Cause of warpspeed.

If you think that a small area of the game - L4s - is a way to measure cost / effectiveness of battleships, then please start threads about anything non T3 because for L4 they are sooooo bad. Dictors for example, wow, how am i going to do an AE in my Sabre?
NOT worth the SP.


And for Nullsec, you forget about the FIGHTS that usually are or should happen prior to structure bashes.
Those fights will change through fozzie sov, of course, but dropping a BS fleet will still be a good way to brawl command nodes.


Edit: http://crossingzebras.com/small-gang-tier-list-part-4-battleships/

No no. I am saying all they can do is LVL 4's and T3s can do those well enough too. The only thing battleships have going for them is insurance.

No you gave a list of faction BS and Gallente stuff. For the skill points, Battleships aren't worth it. No ship in EVE is really a solo ship. Battleships are just so gimped, it is understood that you have to have another ship, because if a solo frig,cruiser,etc... gets proper range it is over. You haven't even flown all of them. I have flown all races battleships and I am telling you the class as a whole is crap. And all you did was cherry pick. "Sure the Gallente ships can hit smaller stuff as they get bonuses no other battleships except the Apoc gets, so battleships are still viable!" is pure nonsense bordering on fanboyism.

Nice stab at my pride again. I see I have met someone who really loves his three legged dog here.