Player Features and Ideas Discussion

then please consider size limitations on AB's i.e. small AB's 1mn's being small ship only ..etc..
also have you considered nerfing webs a little.. 60% is quite hefty not even mentioning the 90% ones.. they make AB's quite useless..

*sigh*
Guess the only thing I'll need to do after the patch is update all my fittings with Y-T8s. Still no point in using ABs on anything that doesn't have spikes.

Yeah, why would you ever pick an option that gives you a fifth of the speed bonus of the other? The only thing I can think of is PvE, where you don't really need to speed, you just need to added avoidance.

How ironic, the only case where afterburner are needed is when you don't actually need speed :D

As for the oversized "issue"... It is only an "issue" on T3Ds and they have been heavily nerfed already. Every other frigate or dessie has huuuge troubles fitting 10mn ABs.

As for 100mn ABs... Have you seen the inertia? I tried a 100MN AB on a Phantasm once. Suffice to say, 35sec alignment didn't really convince me that they were over-powered... Yet we were talking about a ship that has a BONUS to ABs, it wasn't even a random ship with an oversized prop mod.

TL;DR: So yeah... I don't really see the point of not making ABs faster, because :
A - Their current state is so bad that people who fit them aren't looking for speed.
and B - The idea of giving oversized prop mods a buff is a non-issue since most oversized fits (if not all) are completely rubbish at best.

also no reply too making an agility based meta for AB or mwd .. even at a faction level at least..

CCP.. what's the deal with the changes to the X-Type 1(5)00mn Microwarpdrives?

Specifically, at the moment, Core-X has the easiest Fitting costs. Gist-X uses the least Cap. Both have 0 Cap Penalty.
After the change, if I'm reading the spreadsheet right..
Core-X will use the least PG, and have the lowest Activation Cost.
Gist-X will now use more Cap (Currently 270, changing to 320), and all it gets out of that is a Signature reduction, which on BS's is not nearly as important as a on Frigs and Cruisers.

In short, Gist X went from the best X-Type where Fitting is not an issue, to the worst regardless of fitting, except in a very few specific cases where you want to Sig-Tank a MWD BS.. which is just silly on the outset. Seems kinda messed up.

Gist has to have the same bonus types at all sizes. Core has to have the same bonus types for all sizes. One is easier for shield fits and one is easier for armor fits.

Any chance you can mark out what has changed between your original proposal and the update?

I didn't memorise the OP and spreadsheets first time around, I'm afraid!

Hah, sorry. TBH I wasn't sure if you where trolling or not



Yes, the agility is horrible on over-sized prop mod fits, but many ships don't require agility (missile & drone doctrines, for example, don't need to worry about tracking). Otherwise, just turn your prop mod off, align/shoot/whatever & only turn it back on when you feel the need for speed.



Not unless all you ever want to see in your space killing your doodz is that "really strong fit".



Sure, and we have. The ridiculously low agility is one of the tools we use to limit their impact.

But more importantly, whats the argument for increasing the speed of afterburners? ABs where never ment to compete with MWDs in terms of speed. They provide interesting fitting choices with many trade-offs :

• Lower activation cost
• No capacitor penalty
• No signature penalty
• Easier fitting requirements
• Don't turn off when Warp Scrambled

And yes, slower.

Signature tanking is super effective. A RLML Cerberus will do half as much damage to a fleet bonused 1MN AB frigate compared to 5MN MWD frigate. A large part of the effectiveness of Proteus & Legion fleets you see flying around Nullsec is due to the AB they have fit diminishing incoming damage.
Dual prop (or even triple prop fits) can be incredibly powerful, combining speed & signature tanking.
And yes, over-fitting is another interesting choice. Getting back a chunk of the speed but loosing agility.

Generally, we think afterburners are in a pretty good spot right now.


Most of the changes are in the Deadspace mods, with a tweek or two in the faction mods. If I have time tomorrow at work I'll try and highlight the changes from version 1.


At this stage we are not intending on making T1 modules better than meta modules, and by extension T2.

Not asking for T1 to be better than meta, but for there to be meaningful choices when it comes to selecting your modules.

This is an example that i drew up from another thread.

5MN Microwarpdrive I [Meta Level 0; Powergrid 15; CPU 25; Activation 45; Cap Penalty -25; Signature Bonus 500%; Velocity Bonus 500%; Overload Bonus 50%]

5MN Compact Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 1 ; Powergrid 14 (-1); CPU 21 (-4); Activation 45; Cap Penalty -25 ; Signature Bonus 500%; Velocity Bonus 500%; Overload Bonus 50%]

5MN Enduring Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 1; Powergrid 15; CPU 25; Activation 35 (-10); Cap Penalty -25 ; Signature Bonus 500%; Velocity Bonus 500%; Overload Bonus 50%]

5MN Restrained Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 1; Powergrid 15; CPU 25; Activation 45; Cap Penalty -20(-5); Signature Bonus 450%(-50); Velocity Bonus 500%; Overload Bonus 50%]

(New Concept Item) 5MN Upgraded Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 1; Powergrid 15; CPU 25; Activation 45; Cap Penalty -25; Signature Bonus 500%; Velocity Bonus 505 (+5)%; Overload Bonus 50%]

5MN Microwarpdrive II [Meta Level 5; Powergrid 17; CPU 25; Activation 50; Cap Penalty -20; Signature Bonus 500%; Velocity Bonus 510 (+10)%; Overload Bonus 50%]

Even changing things so that getting a use-able meta-1 module required a T1 module to be manufactured and consumed would do wonders for entry-level manufacturing.