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It is already obvious that you guys want to avoid docking games with the T2 entosis link, by forcing the brawl 250km from the structure, but I am very glad to hear it spelled out so clearly!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

I have.. and ive checked and there is none

bowhead - nada cant fit 100's of ships in a customer's hanger.. plus it cant jump
freighters - yeah tons of m3 cargo hold space.. cant haul fitted battleships or caps or much in reference to the enormous container that would be spat out into space.. slow as rocks and don't give me that webbing mess..due to not only having to retrieve my own stuff.. I would have to retrieve perhaps 100's of individuals items..

blockade runner --.. hahaha not enough room

itheron or other haulers - negative on cargo space and no way even feasible to use in an op like that during a hot-zone of aggressors laughing their behinds off camping a system where they just blew up a freaking station and drooling at the mouths attempting to hunt down those that are trying to get their things.

we need a "place all eggs in the basket" supreme capital hauler that can perform and out perform anything we have in the game.

unless they decide to compress all items and ships into some cube so the little guy can get stuff out for the big guys.. while the big guys are crying, raging, and kicking puppies.

we need an evac hauler!

Raising the issue of current Ship Scanners being inadequately balanced with their 2 sec cycle times and 50 km range.

Gaining crucial intel via such trivial mechanics needs to be looked at and rectified, perhaps, with an introduction of a separate Citadel scanning module.

plz give them cool names like found in Master of orion 2.

I want stellar converters and mass drivers and Zeon Missiles...

1 - I am curious why you are abandoning such a basic mechaic that a POS has with these new structures: Automated defenses.

Hiring pirates to defend your structure.... who defends them now? If I have to pay a manufacturing/research fee based on system indices (because there is no 100% automation so I am paying someone to work) will this mean we don't have to pay these fees for the new structures? After all, surely someone can be hired to likewise "man the guns". If the issue is simply: nothing for free: then have this automation certainly use fuel but with less effectiveness than if a player was using the guns themselves. This leads to a sub-question: why does POS fuel not include food for the npcs that apparently live on it - especially in Wormholes?

ie: It is understandable that the guns would be less effective for a non-capsuleer to operate them, but that they can only be operated by a capsuleer seems a gross design oversight. Please reconsider this.


2 - What happens to personal assets in a Citadel if it is offlined? Do these get destroyed or will they fall under the Asset Safety rule that would kick in should the Citadel have been blown up? I would suggest the latter since no one likes losing assets due to someone clicking offline by accident or intent.

3 - I like the idea that they show up on D-Scan. I do not like the idea that you can otherwise warp directly to them. If it is not a system effecting structure and does not otherwise fall into a permissible access category, you should only be able to warp to it if you have probed it down. D-scan simplifies things, making them warp-able by default OVER-simplifies it.

4 - How will moon mining work - I assume you will utilize a "slot" of sorts to prevent multiple Structures mining the same moon for resources.

5 - Are we really going to have to wait 2 hours to offline a structure or was that an example? Might I suggest that offlining is much quicker if there is no threat to the structure IE: no one has reinforced it or using an Entosis link on it.


Overall I am very happy with the direction Structures are going.

will the weapon systems be targetable? Will they still work after the RF cycles but before the final takeover/destruction?

Currently, if you want to kill a pos, you usually take out the most annoying defenses first before shooting the tower. Once the tower is RFed many modules will automatically go offline (points and ewar for example). Since its not mentioned in the blog i guess you would have to tank the structure while doing the entosis capturing without an option to deal with the defenses first?

relative simple solution regarding docking games:
separate the docking area from the undocking area


if you warp to a new structure you would land at the docking area where you can dock. If you leave the structure you exit at the undocking exit. This is esp feasible with the new structures since like you wrote in the devblog you see the surrounding all the time. You don't need invulnerability timers after undock and you also don't need the option to redock right away since you can make a educated decision if undocking is safe or not. If you want to redock you would have to fly to the docking area.

#dockingGamesFixed

1 - I think the current war dec mechanics would deal with this nicely. Also, considering you won't be structure grinding, it should be very do-able with an Alt.

2 - if there is a limited window to attack, unlike current POSes, then adding decay mechanic based on usage of the structure might be the best solution since these are larger structures than deployables which decay over hours and days. Over time, the medium to large structures will become vulnerable 24/7 - but that would take several months of non-activity: not docking or running jobs at the structure.

Since we ha thus invul thing that will act as force field look-alike nit much should change from current situation. So what a player can play docking games uf he simpky goes in and out of invul area just like old force field. So im not worried about docking games unless this invul area works different than ff because we already have ff games and there are ways to dwal with them.