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[News] DED won't give back our heroes

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-05-12 17:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Hello there.

So DED won't release their detainees. They keep talking about fines, so I assume they need money. And prosecution. Mostly money, I take it, so they can prosecute more people. Budget and all that.

We are all hilariously rich. I say, let's gather our money and throw them at DED, paying the bail. Or wait untill they press the charges and pay these fines. Heroes are free, DED has their money, everyone's happy. Except for the real criminals, but noone loves them anyway.

Let's start our "Pad DED's budget campaign YC117"!
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-05-12 17:50:58 UTC
PFR has sent a message offering them refuge, should they seek it.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-05-12 17:55:16 UTC
So the DED has stooped to ransoming people. How do you not consider them pirates again?
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-05-12 18:01:32 UTC
I've heard rumors on various unsanctioned sub nets that capsulers are planing a protest in Yulai. Join in and show your support for the SCOPE 3

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-05-12 18:19:45 UTC
None of my heroes are thieves.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2015-05-12 18:27:24 UTC
Tabor Murn wrote:
None of my heroes are thieves.

You see, this is an exception. They didn't steal anything, they um... liberated the knowledge from Eifyr's... captivity? So we all know what really is happening. Yeah.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2015-05-12 18:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Deceiver's Echo
Anyanka Funk wrote:
So the DED has stooped to ransoming people. How do you not consider them pirates again?

That is not the case.

DED is using corporate espionage legislation to detain and question Scope and Eifyr employees. Under the letter of the law, they are within their rights. Ethically? This is the beginning of a slippery slope in terms of news reporting and scientific research. This legislation could potentially be used to detain any individual releasing information to the public or sharing sensitive information that could further scientific understanding.

We'll see if this case stands up in court. I have a hunch that it won't. If these charges had any merit, why wasn't Tukoss detained immediately upon leaving Caldari space for the Republic by DED personnel? My guess is that this is simply a stalling tactic to keep further information from leaking before DED can study and make plans.

My theory is based on the following:

1. Tukoss' transmission was not and is not covered by DED jurisdiction, nor any contract signed by him to Zainou.
2. Tukoss made multiple transmissions, most of which where made public via GalNet.
3. If the transmission was in Eifyr's possession, and indeed was transmitted after Tukoss left the state, then it was not property of Zainou.

A public defender could argue this case and win.

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We are all hilariously rich. I say, let's gather our money and throw them at DED, paying the bail. Or wait untill they press the charges and pay these fines. Heroes are free, DED has their money, everyone's happy. Except for the real criminals, but noone loves them anyway.

There is no bail since no charges have been made. DED is holding the individuals for questioning. That is how they're stalling the potential release of further information.

It is a brilliant legal strategy but will only work for a short time. Hence, the quick analysis of the transmission and meeting Wednesday. I would expect a preliminary statement from unofficial sources Thursday, with a formal announcement Friday or Monday.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-05-12 18:30:19 UTC
Ive been trying but DED is stalling the court proceedings. The Scope did not steal anything the bought the video from a whistle blower.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2015-05-12 18:30:23 UTC
Honestly, I'm increasingly feeling that the party at fault here is Eifyr & Co. CONCORD is using the ICE law as the most convenient cover for learning more about the transmission Eifyr has been holding on to for-- how long?

Indeed, I'm increasingly wondering if this isn't the reason why Eifyr contributed to the Sisters' ship construction efforts.

Still, I can't help but wonder why they didn't share this intelligence with the Republic, at the least, or the DED. I suspect the DED should inquire politely with the Republic as to whether it was informed by Eifyr, as well.

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Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-05-12 18:35:40 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Indeed, I'm increasingly wondering if this isn't the reason why Eifyr contributed to the Sisters' ship construction efforts.

I'm doubting there's a connection here.

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Still, I can't help but wonder why they didn't share this intelligence with the Republic, at the least, or the DED. I suspect the DED should inquire politely with the Republic as to whether it was informed by Eifyr, as well.

Look at the evidence though. If there is indeed merit for the ICE inquiry, it means that DED has reliable information that it was made prior to his leaving Zainou. Even if this is just a baseless accusation it is a historically bad suggestion.

Think about that for a moment. Sharing this intel with the Republic is the least of anyone's worries.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#11 - 2015-05-12 18:41:05 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Honestly, I'm increasingly feeling that the party at fault here is Eifyr & Co. CONCORD is using the ICE law as the most convenient cover for learning more about the transmission Eifyr has been holding on to for-- how long?

Indeed, I'm increasingly wondering if this isn't the reason why Eifyr contributed to the Sisters' ship construction efforts.

Still, I can't help but wonder why they didn't share this intelligence with the Republic, at the least, or the DED. I suspect the DED should inquire politely with the Republic as to whether it was informed by Eifyr, as well.


I would need to agree. Eifyr & Co. have shown gross neglect across multiple levels by keeping the video footage to themselves. The whistle blower and the The Scope reporters did the cluster a great service by bringing this information into the public view, and the DED should be thanking them considering they had no knowledge of a armada of Drifters poised to attack us.

I do condemn the Eifyr & Co. employee for selling the video instead of simply leaking it, his intentions were clearly not in the interest of saftey. The Scope reporters however were absolutely within their bounds for what they did.

Shame on you Eifyr & Co. and shame on CONCORD

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2015-05-12 18:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
The broadcast is certainly made after his departure from Zainou Biotech, some time between his last known communication three years ago, and the appearance of fragmented messages to the Galactic Summit. The CONCORD charge is based on the accusation that the Eifyr & Co employee that sold the broadcast to the Scope engaged in espionage, or at least intellectual property theft.

My point of concern is that the knowledge of a fleet of unknown battleships and a structure of unknown design are matters of cluster security, and Eifyr would clearly be failing in its civic duty if it didn't provide this information to at least some sort of governmental agency. If they had at least provided it to the Republic, then they'd at least performed due diligence, and fault rests with the Republic for not notifying the DED or taking efforts of its own.

However, I get the very serious impression that Eifyr did not notify any sort of governmental agency, but may have provided this information to the one party we know that has been knee-deep in wormhole conspiracy for years: the Sisters of EVE. After all, Eifyr & Co. have ties to the Sisters of EVE, and these ties go back at least a year and a half.

In brief, the question to me is whether Eifyr & Co. engaged in corporate malfeasance.

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2015-05-12 18:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Makoto Priano wrote:
However, I get the very serious impression that Eifyr did not notify any sort of governmental agency, but may have provided this information to the one party we know that has been knee-deep in wormhole conspiracy for years: the Sisters of EVE.

In brief, the question to me is whether Eifyr & Co. engaged in corporate malfeasance.

I agree there with Ms. Priano, but have to add that Zainou are so actively spreading themselves all over the place it almost looks like they are trying to say that they want a piece of Dr. Tukoss for casual questioning and. who knows, maybe dismemberment.

Eifyr also wants a piece of Dr. Tukoss because he is still, as far as I am aware, their employee. I'd go with them, but it looks like they are not prudent enough. Endangering our cluster and all that, you know.

And now I wait for DED to claim their right for a piece of our beloved scientist.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-05-12 19:04:26 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
In brief, the question to me is whether Eifyr & Co. engaged in corporate malfeasance.

Refusal to alert authorities of a potential threat would certainly qualify as malfeasance. Those are not the current charges. The legal basis for intellectual property theft and espionage would require:

1. The transmission was made based on technology stolen from Zainou.
2. The transmission was made in the course of committing an act of espionage against the claimant, in this case, Zainou.

Unless the assets viewed in the transmission are Zainou property (unlikely), the second is unlikely to stick. The former, however, could be argued to be based on information stolen from Zainou.

How? Simple. If Zainou had foreknowledge of the location that Tukoss was when he made the transmission, and that he willfully used Zainou intellectual property to gain access, then the resulting transmission would be considered property of Zainou. It's a very slippery slope though. Given SCC control over Capsuleer technology, any technology used by Tukoss would be covered by SCC jurisdiction and not DED criminal ordinances or Zainou intellectual property rights.

The problem is that this jurisdiction ends where non-signatory space begins. Unless Tukoss was in CONCORD signatory-held space those legal considerations would hold no merit. It's why CONCORD can't enforce a travel ban on wormholes discovered by Capsuleers.

So; does Zainou and DED know something that Eifyr was not aware of?
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2015-05-12 19:07:23 UTC
I didn't know they manufacture lawyers of such a fine quality there in Nation.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2015-05-12 19:17:51 UTC
I remain under the impression that the DED is basing their claim of espionage on the unauthorized sale of Eifyr & Co.'s intellectual property to the Scope, and has no concern whatsoever on Tukoss's history with Zainou. That's a matter for the State, and, to be frank, a dead horse.

Tukoss left Zainou in YC113, and disappeared under unknown circumstances at some point in late YC114 or early YC115. The transmission happened some time after his disappearance, and presumably before the transmissions received YC116.10.24.

I repeat: Zainou is not a party to the DED's accusation in this case. The issue at hand is the Scope's purchase of Eifyr & Co. proprietary information, but that inquiry is very likely a convenient cover for establishing basis for corporate malfeasance on Eifyr & Co.'s part.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2015-05-12 19:26:47 UTC
Weird. I could have sworn the header said 'heroes', not thieving journalists.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#18 - 2015-05-12 19:28:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Weird. I could have sworn the header said 'heroes', not thieving journalists.

That's sensationalism for you. They mastered it back in Gallente.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#19 - 2015-05-12 19:34:17 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:


My point of concern is that the knowledge of a fleet of unknown battleships and a structure of unknown design are matters of cluster security, and Eifyr would clearly be failing in its civic duty if it didn't provide this information to at least some sort of governmental agency. If they had at least provided it to the Republic, then they'd at least performed due diligence, and fault rests with the Republic for not notifying the DED or taking efforts of its own.


Agreed. This is my main point of concern also. However i wish to include that the DED have specifically ignored this fact, a fact which far outweighs any potential or alleged crime of The Scope and not even begun an investigation as to why Eifyr did not share this information with a governing body.

CONCORD and the DED have been acting very strange, firstly they release the autopsy report saying as much information as possible should be disseminated to the general public so they can prepare for the worst, to no response when the Drifters attack Yulai, to now, no concern that there is a potential invasion about to start and the ones with prior access to that information kept it secrete.

I suspect something deeper happened at Yulai when the communications blacked out then just a simple attack.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-05-12 19:40:06 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I repeat: Zainou is not a party to the DED's accusation in this case. The issue at hand is the Scope's purchase of Eifyr & Co. proprietary information, but that inquiry is very likely a convenient cover for establishing basis for corporate malfeasance on Eifyr & Co.'s part.

My apologies, I had a very long night last night.

In that case, the corporate espionage investigation would not be justified either. Malfeasance on the part of Eifyr is also null since, and correct me if I'm wrong, the information was passed on to DED. The release was prior to DED authorization. There may have been breaches of contract and breaches of security procedures. That would be best left to Eifyr's internal reviews over the next few months (and I'm sure there will be many).

Further, my point on intellectual property stands. The recording was made in non-signatory space, unless there is evidence to the contrary. As no charges have been made, my belief is that the DED is attempting to make an example of these individuals and also avoid further leaks from Eifyr before DED has had a chance to investigate the transmission itself. If I were the attorney for the individuals in question I would be salivating over potential litigation.

Again, if I am wrong please feel free to correct me. I'm not feeling quite myself this morning.
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