Player Features and Ideas Discussion

6 mids is excessive ... why do these T3 dessies have sooooo much better slot layout than all other small ships in the game? alongside the crazy high bonuses on the modes and the high base resists on top of that?? these need toning down...

It's not much different than a Hawk. It get's one more launcher and 1 more mid. The prop mode is slower than a Hawk and a Hawk gets MWD radius bloom bonus; the defense mode brings its resists up but a Hawk has a T2 resists and smaller sig to start with plus a bonused active tank; the sniper mode adds more targeting range, a little more missile velocity\range (66% vs 50%), and less sensor strength.

So in the end the Jackdaw does more DPS with selectable damage, 1 more mid slot, and has to change modes to compete with other ships that can do well without changing modes. Hardly overpowering nor in need of toning down.

Ok Fozzy I know you have to read this ;)

Some my thoughts
1) T3 destroers have to dominate frig-size becouse they are 1. destroers 2. T3
2) forse of svipul is much in possibilyty to use only 1 mode (propulsion) all time
3) Scan rezolution, lock range, sensor str looks strange for sharpshooter mode
4) 10 AB can be nerfed in more interesting way
5) Good agility and low mass (mostly low mass) is not a Caldary

My idea:
Place role bonus +50% to damage to sharpshooter mode (and rename sharpshooter mode)

What this will do:
T3 destroers will have to trade dps for tank or speed and switch modes. And jackdaw can be a Caldary one (no need for mass nerf (not this word)).

Nope not going there...
I'll stick with the attributes of the ship.

For people who haven't been on SISI yet, here's some shield resist figures:

Tac Destroyer 5 / no links


no resist mods

other modes
em 0% thrm 60% kin 55% exp 50%

defense
em 34% thrm 74% kin 70% exp 67%


dcu II only

other
em 13% thrm 65% kin 61% exp 57%

defense mode
em 42% thrm 77% kin 74% exp 71%


invul II only
other
em 30% thrm 73% kin 69% exp 65%

defense
em 54% thrm 82% kin 79% exp 77%


dcu II + invul II

other
em 39% thrm 76% kin 73% exp 70%

defense
em 60% thrm 84% kin 82% exp 80%


1 x em II rig

other
em 35% thrm 60% kin 55% exp 50%

defense
em 57% thrm 74% kin 70% exp 67%


1 x em II rig + dcu II

other
em 44% thrm 65% kin 61% exp 57%

defense
em 63% thrm 77% kin 74% exp 71%


1 x em II rig + dcu II + invul II

other
em 58% thrm 76% kin 73% exp 70%

defense
em 72% thrm 84% kin 82% exp 80%


2 x em II rig

other
em 55% thrm 60% kin 55% exp 50%

defense
em 70% thrm 74% kin 70% exp 67%


2 x em II rig + dcu II

other
em 61% thrm 65% kin 61% exp 57%

defense
em 74% thrm 77% kin 74% exp 71%


2 x em II rig + dcu II + invul II

other
em 68% thrm 76% kin 73% exp 70%

defense
em 79% thrm 84% kin 82% exp 80%


As you can see its pretty impressive and with 6 mids there's room for any kind of shield tank you would want.

You can fit a 10mn AB easier than on other t3 destroyers but there's not much point, even in speed mode you only get the same speed as a normal t2 ab frig.

For feedback I would say nerf the resist bonus. Damage, speed, sig, cap all seem good.

God knows the Caldari militia need all the help they can get.

Mind you, they will **** and moan because you can only fit two stabs on this thing. Maybe it needs a +2 warp core role bonus, so the squid can fit i8t into their fleet doctrines?

The tradegy of this ship is that it plays to Caldari cultural weaknesses, and seek to push them further down the path of losing engagements. It has a big tank...... but can't dictate range... so it needs it. It has easy to use weapons systems..... that do low damage as a trade off. It is a solo ratters dream..... but does not fit at all well within squad in a specialized role.

All the T3 destroyers are basically solo ratting ships, or for hunting solo ratters. We have found that 3 tech 1 frigs can stand and fight a t3 and take it down for the loss of 1 or maybe 2 ships. This makes them a massive ISK loser on the battelfield, and that reality means t3s are no longer willing to stand and fight in a real battle, where attrition is a fact because teams stand and fight.

Psychologically, this dawning reality must harm the pilots who seek solo boats, and make them demand even more OP ships.

If we cater too much to this misguided desire to be all things to all men in a solo ship, we end up with the Garmur and Orthrus, ships so ridiculously capable on their own that they make a mockery of balance in Eve. In essence, if you want to please the solo fighters who can't handle attritional warfare or team work, they will not be satisfied until they can fly one ship, badly, which can destroy an infinite number of cheaper t1 ships and never lose.

Then the game will be entirely broken, and the t3 princess brigade will condemn the very people who gave them what the demanded: invunerability for isk, and the supremacy of the individual over the team.

The Garmur is a ship without honour, for pilots who fail to grasp the realities of war.

In war, men die. Ships are lost. The dead litter the field. Your weapon is made by the lowest bidder, and those who stay the course and stick by their comrades generally win the day.

There are no princesses in real war.

Seriously, more powergrid required (unless of course you want to force people to fit rockets all the time?)

5 t2 lml with a t2 ab and you have 25.5pg left. Not enough to fit even the storyline MSE.

2 low slots

A lot of people would pay a lot of isk for such a plan....