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New map is pretty much useless.

zoom should go at least 100x closer than it does now. it was bad even on old map and now it worse.

As I'm sure most people in this thread have said, the new map is not probing friendly. Period.

For me the 3 biggest "quality of life" changes the devs could make are these:

1) change the way statistics are displayed. I probe in low/null sec where population is low and I need to know where the gate camps / other pilots are. The new map doesn't seem to consider anything above 50 kills/pilots/etc significant leaving me in a position where I have to hover over stars to check the system stats
2) centring the camera. Double clicking probes or signatures should centre the camera, this is a feature of the current map and NEEDS to be carried over to the new one
3) the cursor. I'm not sure why a circle was chosen, but when it comes to selecting objects/centring cameras/pulling arrows in a probing situation, I would (and I'm sure I'm not alone here) prefer a pointer and not a big 'O' so I can accurately select objects and not just click in their general direction.

If these three things could be fixed, I feel it would go a long way to fixing the new map, at least from a probers point of view.

Moving probes has become much more difficult, particularly when just trying to grab the grey cube and drag it across the map. It's rather frustrating! Personally I don't like the icons sitting above the point they are marking. I think they should just sit as the representation of the object.

Two complaints about the star map for exploration use:

First, the icons for things get in the way of the probe UI (the box and arrows). I have reduced the problem in my own case by turning off icons I don't care for (such as moons and belts)

Second, when in floating or docked mode it is hard to interact with the map and the scanner window due to one window being in front of the other.

It would be nice to have overview-style presets of which icons get shown.

Tried to use this more than once, I generally only use it for scanning and searching for LP stores. I have to say looks great but is not easy to use at all.

currently prefer switching back to the original for both uses.

I think I will probably be echoing a lot of opinions already, but I think this is worth it.

When I click the "map" button on my probe scanner tab, I expect a useful, minimalist and accurate UI translation of the system I'm in to show up, so I can start scanning. As any member of the wormhole space community, I do that several times a day when I'm eve. I expect that interface to be extremely pragmatic because it plays a central tactical role in our play style. It wasn't fully optimal yet as it was (and is) but it does its job well.

This new map is an example of a very reproachable thing, that is exchanging functionality for useless prettiness. This beta map is completely scanning-unfriendly, the animations are bothersome and useless, the background is annoying and a functionless distraction, honestly. The whole thing is a fiasco. For people not used to probing or that never before used probes prior to this beta, I may see the appeal. But for us that use the system, so to say, professionally, this is ridiculous.

If CCP is indeed inclined to keep this senseless frosting instead of actually improving a pragmatic system (and there is A LOT of room for improvement in the "good old" scanning map) then by all means, keep your silly toy. But keep it as an optional feature. Don't force it on us that actually make an interesting lay life out here in the wormhole regions. Sometimes I feel you keep releasing stuff and changing things that actually undermine the wormhole community. I think this is a really sad way to go, and you will end up forcing out hundreds if not thousands of great pilots out of the games, because the kspace dreariness and sillyness do not cut it for us anymore.

Honestly guys, don't try to reinvent the wheel. Improve upon a design that already works instead of coming up with a pretty impractical toy. Focus for example on eliminating the bugs from probe marker movement. Making the zooming in into the sig more fluid and have the scale compensate for zooming without you losing track of the probe markers. Improve the pinpointing system so red circles and duplicated dots occur less often with pilots with high skills. Invest more time in building proper tutorials for robing, so we don't have to tell every newbro that comes into anoikis to forget everything they had learned about probing amd read the resources on the web, like the web resources from some of the bigger groups out there.

Focus on the practical and tactical instead of on the pointlessly pretty. If I want that I will go look at some flowers. They are beautiful, alive and ephemeral. That is what I want from them. From the interface in my dystopian and ruthless spaceship game, I want clear, sleek, fierce and pragmatic.

And that is my 0,02 about this.

133 - 2015-05-10 12:39:34 UTC |
I'm scanning a lot. I've decided to have a look into new map. And they are the problems I experienced while doing so:

1. Very often when points of interest overlap with "red dot", they cover it, making it hard to look for signature you scan.
2. Mouse pointer - small circle, doesn't help, its not easy to grab probe, its just too big for the task.
3. Points of interest (markers of belts, stations, etc.) don't clearly mark they position on orbit. They just hover next to it. Which is not intuitive when comes to placing probes.
4. In old map I can hover mouse over overview and whatever I point there, I will get response from the map, which makes looking for stuff and getting your bearings much easier. It clearly doesn't work in new map.
5. Sometimes, when results of the scan are two red dots. One of them doesn't show at all, I have to go to old map to localize it.
(Mechanic of it is silly anyway, we know that the right red dot is the farther one, not covered by borders of middle probe, which renders all this mechanic pointless).

It looks pretty, but those issues should be fixed before it goes out of beta.

Ok. I really don't have time to say exactly why I don't like the new map. I will keep using the old map until you remove it. Which you surely will. Sigh.

See my sig. Still waiting for an option to not get stomach churn every time I jump a gate.

Where was there a player driven push for a new map? I don't remember one. There was no player driven push for a jump gate animation either. But it seems someone there at CCP decides I want this that and the other and off it goes. Even in the face of mounting criticism.

So sigh. I am sure you will go ta da, here is the new finished map. But it will not be finished. And we will all sadly have to adjust if we want to keep playing this otherwise wonderful game. But can you not just learn when to not mess with things that are basically working and no player drive to change is there? I worry now about the drive to create an in game fitting program. I worry it will be similarly bugged and unfinished but nevertheless forced into the game. PYFA and EFT are doing fine. But at least you cannot remove those.

Can we please get a little bit more tuning for the 'Number of pilots currently docked and Active' stat.

Right now it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/nzzILtB.jpg on the new map, and http://i.imgur.com/PjkgA3C.png on the old map.

It is really hard to see at a glance which systems have more undocked pilots. As it is I have to hover over each system to get a rough idea, while with the old map it was much easier to see if the number was between 1-5, 5-10, or 10-50.

Hint: Maut has 3 people, and Adacyne has 68. Yet they are almost the same size.

Another example: While zoomed out we get this view http://i.imgur.com/RCclhMK.jpg . This is a definite loss of information compared to the old map which looks like: http://i.imgur.com/eFZvygU.png

As you can see, finding 'blob's of pilots out in space is still much easier with the old map because systems with 0 pilots are clearly identified with white, and the gradient increases gradually.

You could doubleclick on an object in a scan list and it would rotate around it.
...which is not true for new map, you must double-click objects in the map itlself, instead of the list, and map has many objects of similar type with the same icon and no text.


I tried it for the first time today and found A LOT more issues.
FPS drops from 120 to 40, looks choppy, pointer sucks, lagging a lot, view is obstructed by useless stuff I have no interest for at the moment, and sigs vanish indeed.

Back to beta pls CCP.