Intergalactic Summit

Those are some valid points...it would seem that the Empress and her people do have some sort of upper hand in everything, especially with Sleepers. I may disapprove of the Amarr Empire and the Empress but if she were to be under the control of the Drifters or even working with the Drifters then this situation may have gone from bad to worse.

Your theories are especially poignant given the reports of the empress evading the public. Keep your guns loaded folks.

Could the "new WH space" and the drifters be the decedents of the people left behind on the other side of the EVE gate after the collapse? New Eden suffered so much because of the amount of support that was needed from the old system that the humans couldn't support themselvs and led to thousands of years of re-building, a dark-age. What if the other side of the gate kept on growing instead of falling into this dark-age like New Eden? From what I understand the people of New Eden mostly just either re-invent or reverse engineer the tech from the past or from more advanced civilizations.


Could the "reclaiming" just be the people of the old system taking back what was lost when the EVE gate collapsed now that they have finally found New Eden again?

Possible, tho it would bring up a lot of questions on what exactly happened when the EVE gate collapsed, and if the Terran fore-culture would have any reason to fear the people that were settling New Eden, or that they would even have the tech to force close the WH. Current lore (AFAIK) has the EVE gate being the first (and until sleepers and Anokis) last WH that man had found at the time and allowed a huge gold rush of sorts for people looking for riches and places to call home (see capsuler reactions to Anokis)


I think that the people who were on the other side were just as surprised as those in New Eden, and kept trying to find the people who were left stranded in New Eden, I mean it wouldn't be hard to think that there were billions (if not trillions) of families that were separated, with enough of those having government connection, and the assumption that all of humanity was under some kinda galaxy-wide government, that would lead them to wanting to find the people that were lost.


This leads to the sleepers, and all of anokis.

What if the sleepers are remains of this search? The government at the time most likely had tons of data on the EVE gate, and with the sudden collapse a drive to find out how to get back to New Eden. This leads them to developing WH generating tech and setting up outpost all across the known, and eventually unknown even to them, space. Fast forward a few hundred years, the search is mostly given up, the EVE gate and the people of New Eden mostly Myth to the common person and far and away from any sort of priority to the heads of the government. The outpost that were made to hunt down New Eden are still used to develop new tech and for research away from the home worlds of humanity, but except for a few automated systems that watch for signs of New Eden, the bases original purpose is all but ignored.

Fast forward a few thousand years, and the government of the old system has been over-turned, and changed so many times that the EVE gate and a Lost people aren't even Myth, the use of WH tech in war has cause a unthinkable amount of damage to humanity, the outpost that were made to look for New Eden have been abandoned except for a few automated defenses and the ships that used living beings as parts of the machinery have been put to sleep. After thousands of years of war a tired humanity finally comes back together and forms a new empire, they leave the outpost alone as a relic of a older age.

Then the amarr super weapon and the burning of new eden (as shown in the "end of the world" chronicle) gives the outpost the thing they needed to lock onto and find New Eden. Old sub-routenes start the calculations needed to target this far-off galaxy, the stations were made to look after themselves, but thousands of years of neglect takes a toll, the WHs that were supposed to reconect humanity are small and weak compaired to the EVE gate that they are based on, the hardware and software is unable to maintain a consitant size and location for the other end of the WHs that they spawn. The news is slow to get to the empire, no one except a few finge scientist pay attention to the frequencies that the outpost transmit on, and no one beleaves them when they start telling people about the activity at these forgotten outpost. Then the capsulers arrive. And in secret, the sansha nation.


Once the government finally looks at the data the scientist are giving them they realize that they may have finally found the first signs of alien life that is advanced as Humanity, while others whisper of a Lost people and a garden thought long lost.

To be honest, it is extremely unlikely that the Sleepers or the Drifters aremore direct descendants of the Terrans that we are. All evidence currently points towards the Sleepers being an offshoot of the Jovian race, which we know came through the Eve Gate before it's collapse, just like we did. Even more so, what would become the Jove race was actually rather low-tech, and still in cryo-sleep transit to their destination in the Heaven constellation when the Eve Gate collapsed. Personally, I think that the Sleepers probably seperated themselves from the rest of the Jove at some point during the second empire, based on the fact that the names of the Drifter pilots seem to reference the title of Tyrant that has been introduced by Miko Bour during the second empire. Which brings me to my next point.
As it stands, there seem to be two possibilities as to who the Drifters actually are. One, that they are either actual Sleepers that have been awakened for some reason, or they are new embodiments of the infomorph lifeforms that have evolved inside the digital environment the Sleepers have suspended themselves in. I would argue that they are actual Sleepers, apparently awakened to deal with the infomorph threat that is growing bigger, based on the aforementioned names and descriptions of Drifter pilots, which stresses their jovian origin (towards which the recent autopsy is pointing as well), and the fact that there have been multiple reports of increased Drifter aggression in Amarr space. It seems unlikely that the Drifters would act that way if they were Infomorphs, as the Amarr Empress is suspected to have been under the influence of infomorphs since her coronation.

As to the doomsday device, it is known that the weapon used by the Amarr Empress against the Minmatar elder fleet was part of an ancient terran device that was retrieved from a wreckage of a science ship of sorts, and it's original purpose is unlikely to have been the destruction of an entire fleet. Now this is not to say that the Drifter doomsday doesn't work in a similar way, maybe even requiring Isogen-5 as well, but if there's more similarities than that, it's more likely that the Drifters reverse engineered Terran technology than them being Terrans themselves, they're just too similar to the Jove we know for that.

It is hard to figure out how the Sansha fit into this, but personally I think they have more or less become pawns of the infomorphs by now, as there has been evidence for repeated clashes between Sansha and Sleeper forces, which might point towards the infomorphs waging war against the actual Sleeper race.

From what I have seen most of the evidence for the tech being Jovian comes from the fact that it is more advanced than ours, not necessarily that it says that it is theirs. Also there is no reason that the Jovian and Terran tech didn't evolve along the same lines, extrapolation of existing tech would lead to a lot of the same conclusions as long as they had similar goals in mind, and who knows why the Jove do much of what they do? Maybe they woke up, learned of the EVE gate collapse, and decided to hunt for home like the Terrans were hunting for us.

Hunt as in search for, it's not outside the realms of possibility that the people who were left behind would want to figure out what happened as much as the people in New Eden did on the day the EVE gate collapsed. See my rambling post earlier in the thread for my theory.

Now that would be interesting but sad to say i have not seen anything to even hint to this.


Somewhere in the archives something was said how the Jove people looked for perfection like using gene therapy and other thing including they where looking to live without the needs of their bodies.

so could the Sleeper's be an early form of this? could the Drifters be the latest version?

From what we know so far the Drifters do seem more interest in Jove towers then us.Though i do not rule out that the Sleepers are our Terran ancestors.

What worries me is that Amarr will have another failure like we did with the Jove's and i would not like to see the Khanid people get dragged into another failed war.

Perhaps, perhaps.

Just, don't say anything like this in an Imperial Court, or a Courtyard, or anywhere in the Empire really.

Ma'am, I don't believe it was a Doomsday weapon, as doomsday weapons characterized by tremendous amount of energy that battleships simply can't generate. What Her Majesty has used it was more like very smart trick: according to footages this weapon has caused chain reaction in shields of hostile fleet, causing them to collapse into themselves, damaging and destroying ships.

It wasn't just pure power, it was damn very smart and tricky approach. I haven't seen such things before, I doubt it wasn't neither Drifter, nor Sleeper technology, but something Her Majesty developed herself with her trusted scientists to counter Minmatar ship shielding systems.

That makes Her Majesty very cunning and dangerous opponent to our enemies, and highly valuable ally.


If Sansha would really be working with Drifters, I will change my mind about not engaging Drifters and will call for their immediate and total extremination everywhere, calling them main enemy #2.

After the Federation, of course.