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Petition: Remove Slaves from the SCC Markets.
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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#241 - 2015-05-08 16:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
Samira Kernher wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:
Explain to me again what this petition is about, then.


To keep them away from people like you.



I have slaves. They pack themselves into every ship I fly and they are expendable and replaceable.


You seem to be under the impression that the Amarr have some unique divine mandate for oppressing people. Power gives us that mandate. There is nothing holy or cultural about it.


The free market owes nothing to the idea of upholding Amarr cultural restrictions. The free market belongs to no single Empire, and it would be a toxic precedent to bend to some poorly defined, arbitrary social moray that only the vocal elements from a single faction care about.


e: fixed some of my sentences

Call me Joe.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#242 - 2015-05-08 16:58:17 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:
Explain to me again what this petition is about, then.


To keep them away from people like you.



I have slaves. They pack themselves into every ship I fly and they are expendable and replaceable.


You seem to be under the impression that the Amarr have some unique divine mandate for oppressing people. Power gives us that mandate. There is nothing holy or cultural about it.


The free market owes nothing to the idea of upholding Amarr cultural restrictions. The free market belongs to no single Empire, and it would be a toxic precedent to bend to some poorly defined, arbitrary social moray that only the vocal elements from a single faction care about.


e: fixed some of my sentences

Annnnnnnd, red-listed.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#243 - 2015-05-08 17:02:31 UTC


Tyrel Toov wrote:

Annnnnnnd, red-listed.



The feeling is not mutual.



Call me Joe.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#244 - 2015-05-08 17:15:52 UTC
Signed. Free my Vherokior and Minmatar brothers and sisters!!

@lunettelulu7
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#245 - 2015-05-08 17:55:44 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Signed. Free my Vherokior and Minmatar brothers and sisters!!


Samira Kernher wrote:
This measure is not about abolition. It is only about upholding traditional restrictions on who is permitted to own slaves: Holders and Holders alone.

If you are looking to end slavery, then this is not the place for it.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#246 - 2015-05-09 20:41:52 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
How dare you accuse this of being a facade. What undesirable results could possibly arise from going back to the trade restrictions that we maintained without issue before the SCC was spawned? What was wrong with the original trading laws, like the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement? Under those policies, trade goods were strictly controlled and only Holders and licensed representatives were allowed to engage in business with foreign traders. Those policies preserved our cultural values, they upheld our religious principles. The liberal economics of the last few decades have ruined all of that. Maybe Amarr is making more money as a result, but it is the Deceiver's money.

Forgive me for actually caring about our traditions. Forgive me for asking that Scriptural laws be held above secular foreign ones. Forgive me for actually caring about what happens to the people I came from.

Then I take it, you are content with how this debacle was handled so far? Made in to this public parade for all to see, turned into shame and blame crusade, involving people who shouldn't have a say in such matters.

Did you consider how none capsuleers holders and high-ranking ministers, officers etc will see this petition? Do you want to see unrest and turmoil in your own home? And what if your petition will go unanswered, do you even comprehend how you are making MIO and Trade Registry look? Does it not raise any concerns that after "signing" this petition of yours some amarr capsuleers were erased from the face of universe?

If you truly care about traditions and the Empire, then don't be so naive and shortsighted.

And please don't compare your "thing" with Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement; it was made internally, by the right people, without outsiders pushing for their agenda.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#247 - 2015-05-09 21:13:42 UTC
I will make sure to address this matter at the P.P.C.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Pius Pareka
Doomheim
#248 - 2015-05-10 01:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pius Pareka
As a new capsuleer who earns a relatively lucrative source of stable income transporting slaves purchased via the SCC market I can not support this petition.

I would ask how those in opposition propose that the transport of slaves be accomplished without the market acting as intermediary between capsuleer transports and holders through out imperial and Khanid controlled space.
Anuri Suaraj
The Cylar Foundation
#249 - 2015-05-17 15:01:15 UTC
Signed.

Pius Pareka wrote:
As a new capsuleer who earns a relatively lucrative source of stable income transporting slaves purchased via the SCC market I can not support this petition.

I would ask how those in opposition propose that the transport of slaves be accomplished without the market acting as intermediary between capsuleer transports and holders through out imperial and Khanid controlled space.


As a new capsuleer, I have to say that I detest other new capsuleers that are unable to find lucrative sources of income that do no include unnecessary transport and unauthorized resale of slaves.

The Empire lives and breathes by a very specific set of rules, and opposing those rules is as futile as opposing God's will.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#250 - 2015-05-17 18:11:13 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
I will make sure to address this matter at the P.P.C.



#NoAbolitionNoPeace!

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#251 - 2015-05-18 11:47:42 UTC
Shouldn't minmatars rather welcome free slave trade so they can just buy them back?
Or they are just puny warmongers, who use cultural difference of the Empire (slavery as cultural institution) to make their excuse to wage war against them?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#252 - 2015-05-18 15:29:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Shouldn't minmatars rather welcome free slave trade so they can just buy them back?
Or they are just puny warmongers, who use cultural difference of the Empire (slavery as cultural institution) to make their excuse to wage war against them?

Something something pot, something something kettle....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#253 - 2015-07-16 09:14:56 UTC
I am still going through my backlogs, but this one was flagged in my urgent pile.

This I support wholeheartedly.

Signed,
His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex
Cardinal of Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#254 - 2015-07-16 13:47:11 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Signed. Only Holders are legally allowed to own slaves, not any fool with a capsuleer license. Reform this practice at once.



What he said!

Signed.
Alesius Lerance
Chrysos Aigis
#255 - 2015-07-16 22:06:53 UTC
Signed, strictly for the purposes of ending the institution overall, rather than, I am sorry to say, because of a belief in the rights of the Holders. I know it is unlikely to ever end within the Empire, but taking steps to curtail it outside of Imperial territory is a good start.

Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#256 - 2015-07-16 23:30:46 UTC
As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal.
Genzel Recidivus
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2015-07-17 02:05:23 UTC
Signed.
Alesius Lerance
Chrysos Aigis
#258 - 2015-07-17 20:53:02 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal.


*Couldn't care less.

If you're going to be a manical Cannibal, at least do us the courtesy of keeping your translation software updated and functioning.

Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#259 - 2015-07-17 21:33:10 UTC
Alesius Lerance wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal.


*Couldn't care less.

If you're going to be a manical Cannibal, at least do us the courtesy of keeping your translation software updated and functioning.


I could care less. Cool
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#260 - 2015-08-13 20:59:01 UTC
Signed