Warfare & Tactics

If you are a solo pvper in this game and you don't know how to properly select your targets, then you deserve the lossmail. If you are solo pvping in a Comet, and you d-scan and see a Garmur waiting in the plex, and you still decide to warp in; then you deserve what you get. TARGET SELECTION.

If you are in a Garmur with High-grade Snakes and the person you are going after is in a plex in a Garmur, and there is no one else in system; then you might have a even fight. In that scenario, you may have a chance; but are you willing to risk an expensive ship and implants on that chance. This is the closest you are going to have to an even fight with a Garmur.

There is nothing wrong with the ship, this is people wanting a change to suit their needs/playstyle.

A Garmur and the T3Ds are about the only way a soloist can take on multiple people at once, and possibly come out on top.

ya any ship can go 1 versus many. and i can also beat up multiple children at the same time.

thats not the point though

we are talking about how BAD CCP IS AT BALANCING THIS GAME

the garmur is op

the orthrus is ridiculously op with rlmls

the new t3ds are like a sick joke. why fly any assault frigate, dessie or t1 cruiser anymore when a t3d can rip all of them with ease?

Garmur and Orthrus pilots rejoice! The microwarpdrives changes means that Garmur imbalance will be propelled to entirely new levels! Thanks a bunch CCP cause what we needed was Garmurs to be even faster so that they are even more immune to everything.

Garmur is fine. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I fly 20 mil Slicers all day long and can dance around fleets of other frigates/dessies for hours if need be. In comparison, the Garmur does less dps and goes about 1 km faster. The best thing about it is it's long point.

You wanna kill a Garmur? Fly a beam Slicer. Or a light missile Corm. Or any other ship that can reach out past 50km with decent tracking or missiles with more than 120 dps (Hint; It's not that hard.) Or fly a neut ship. Or a damp ship. Or a faster scram brawler. Or catch him in a slingshot. Or just catch him anyway cause most Garmur pilots just hurrdurr F1 + Orbit at 30.

Any kitey frig pilot in the game can kill destroyers or cruisers if the guy flying them is ****, so the argument that you're getting killed this way is invalid. Similarly, any noob can jump into a Garmur and die in a fire because he doesn't know how to properly fly a ship that does 10km/s with heat and links. While I have fond memories of killing destroyers and cruisers in my FOTM kitey shield Tristan when I was doing FW, It was just a kitey ship - Weak against the tactics and fits meant to counter kitey ships, and the only reason it worked for me is because I knew how to pick my targets. It's absolutely no different for the Garmur. It has the same fundamental weaknesses.

There is no ship in the game that can solo everything but you seem to think that the Garmur is an exception to that rule. It is not. While they are good, they are justifiably good given the investment that flying one properly takes - Much like any Daredevil or Dramiel, and guess what? 9 times out of 10 you avoid those things when you're flying solo as well.

Learn to fly and learn to pick your fights. Not every fight can be won in every ship. You should know this by now.

Killing your alt on SiSi doesn't really count.

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Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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I think the issue with Garmurs and Othri (I'm not so sure with T3Ds, especially after the nerf) is that they aren't kiters anymore, they're a hybrid between snipers, kiters and Gallente recons with all the strengths of those classes and none of the weaknesses ( Ok, they don't have T2 resists, but other than that...).

For example, if I was going to fight a sniper, I would concentrate on getting under its guns with something fast, which is taking advantage of the relatively slow speed and poor tracking of most snipers, or if I was slow and couldn't do that, I'd just warp off. You can't do that with a Garmur or Orthrus because they apply damage and move like an excellent kiter, and have a Gallente recon point to prevent you from warping.

If I was fighting a kiter, his margin of error is tiny and his speed is somewhat limited by his fairly tight orbit. I would try to take advatange of the slightest mistake and get within brawling range, or, if I couldn't do that, simply out-DPS and out-tank him using drones and whatever I can get out of turrets or missiles. You can't do that against a Garmur or Orthrus because they fight at sniper ranges. The margin of error is huge, and there is nothing preventing the ship from flying at near max speed while orbiting. It would take a massive mistake on his part for me to brawl him. At long range, short range guns won't do anything, missiles probably won't make it that far, light drones will struggle to keep up and most long-range guns probably lack the tracking or range to hit reliably.

If I was fighting a Gallente recon... Well, Gallente recons just aren't very strong on their own and there are a lot of valid strategies to take them down or get away from them. Not so with Garmurs and Orthri, as I've already explained.

So how do you fight Mordu ships? An anti-Mordu meta. Tracking-enhanced, long range guns, speed-enhanced drone setups, or a heavy neut Curse, maybe with damps or ECM to boot. Hit hard and fast enough against these flimsy ships and the lack of a point won't matter. The only issue is that in small gangs or solo, this meta is vulnerable to almost everything but extreme kiters like Mordu, while Mordu are vulnerable to basicly nothing but these very specific metas.

Bottomline: Are Mordu ships balanced? No, not at all.

your post just screams that you have no idea what the t3ds are capable of. probably because you dont pvp very much

when i log in i see tons of t3ds derping around all day. yet nobody is flying AFs, dessies, or t1 cruisers anymore.

i wonder why

Because your station has windows?

wrong thread. Smartphone not so smart. Ignore this posting.