Warfare & Tactics

A Garmur with a warp disruptor can keep you pinned at a pretty far distance. Heavy neuts/nosf don't reach that far. Neither do regular webs or disruptors. It uses missiles, so tracking disruptors don't help.

What's the best way to catch and kill it? I'm finding that the Garmur is really good at skirting around enemy null sec and picking targets they know they can kill.

So that makes me think that the best way to kill a Garmur is to be in something it thinks it can kill...but fit it so it's a big surprise. But how and what?

Sensor damps. A single phase muon with a lock range script will bring the Garmur inside 25km (to ~21km, depending on skills) ignoring links (which go both ways) where it can be conventionally pointed.

A good deterrent is a Maulus with sensor damps. This will vastly cut down their range and screw with them. Otherwise the Dramiel is a very solid choice. Sniper Cormorant can be a give or take.

For the most part if you aren't using a Dramiel, (Maybe Daredevil) or Garmur to take them out you will need friends. 10mn Microwarp Sivpul (not sure about its turning).

Also note that chances are if someone is in a Garmur and they are risk adverse - then they will most likely be fielding links and snakes. Which means that unless you have those it is very unlikely you will actually reach them.

The answer is Warrior IIs + Drone Nav in the mids.

Or fitting a single Sensor Dampener.

Or fitting long-range weapons (with tracking mods and a web "just in case")

Or anything just as fast, or faster, than a Garmur that can field some DPS+ a tank (nano-Dramiel, nano-Slasher, nano-Firetail, nano-Atron, nano-Comet). Remember that Thermodynamics is your friend.

Some combination of the above.

You can fit t1 tackle to do 6-7k heated and scram the garmur before he realizes what's up. You need enough tank to survive a couple of nasty light missile volleys while you torch his tinfoil ship.

Your ship will of course be useless against everything not paper missile kite so you have to fly around looking for some.

IV fought a couple off with an ishkur and warrior II's.

They're squishy little things so if you can't catch it you can force it off (assuming his mates don't show up and kill your ass first)

A good garmur pilot will use auto-targets :)

Auto targets work perfectly well. I guess they can be confusing if you dont know how they work.

It has been my experience that one only needs to fly away from the garm very quickly then fly at them to allow enough speed to coast thru the defensive scram if one is fielded. Garmurs die quick, once you are in mutal scram range, also if you aren't solo then secondary scrams have plenty of time to land even if your scram was coasted in. I remember even being initial tackle in plenty of times in a MWD+Scram+1xOverdrive rifter, with links and snakes and heat it goes about 7kms, which is usually plenty enough to coast in.

I mean IDK, maybe just all the garmurs I run across are bad, but they just don't seem that scary to me.

I will continue to feed the troll, under my better judgement.



A garmur does have a 26km scram range...but that's with heat and links and a 150+ mil True Sansha warp scram. Lots of Garmur pilots don't even pack a defensive scram, let alone fit anything more expensive than T2. If they chose to pimp the scram or the point, it's usually the point.

Scram range means a lot less the faster you go. If you are flying a fast ship and land a good slingshot you could be 10 + km inside his scram range before he has time to react and activate it, and at that point he's inside your own scram range.



You're completely wrong about the Slicer but...I'll just leave this here. (Skip to 4:48)

Wil, as I've requested in other threads, please link us your real KB...You know, the one that you kill Garmurs with...