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What's wrong with minmatar space? (lol Hilen Tukoss)
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Zockhandra
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#61 - 2015-05-08 15:19:47 UTC
GankYou wrote:


True dat, sistah.

Red space forever ♥ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. ♥

I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod systems. It was a splendid Jolly Roger. Pirate



Those systems used to be awesome, now they are populated by nothing save some very rude and isolated indivduals.

Shield are red, Armor is too, i slapped my heavy neut, all over you. Fingers crossed, broken shattered and burned, across from the bubble and into your hull.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#62 - 2015-05-08 15:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Some example of Can Art - http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2008/05/os107_eve_425.jpg

Probably done by MC. or [FRICK]. Pirate

Zockhandra wrote:
GankYou wrote:


True dat, sistah.

Red space forever ♥ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. ♥

I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod systems. It was a splendid Jolly Roger. Pirate



Those systems used to be awesome, now they are populated by nothing save some very rude and isolated indivduals.


MUfFin FaCtoRy used to own the place some time before Factional Warfare, and for a period after. Pirate

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#63 - 2015-05-08 15:25:17 UTC
Yeah nowadays the space is rather...

When people can fly from Hek to Jita in nine jumps without issues ...
... through rancer ...
... but don't really do it ...
... then that's also a sign of a huge problem.

People should love to go this short route.
The systems on route barely have locals.

Probably the safest lowsec trade route now.

It's a shame...
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#64 - 2015-05-08 16:06:36 UTC
I too like Minmatar space. I'm ok with there being portions of space that are relatively inactive. You have your bustling cities and your backwater boonies.

I think the simple explanation for why Minmatar space is unpopulated and rustic is pretty clear, though:

racism
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#65 - 2015-05-08 16:32:02 UTC
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.

Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#66 - 2015-05-08 16:47:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.

Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?

Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#67 - 2015-05-08 17:39:42 UTC
Hi. Only been playing about a month now and I have also just recently "flown the coop" from my home in Lanngsi, which was 2 jumps from Hek to a remote highsec pocket in Aridia thanks to a wormhole. Brought literally all my assets along .. for no reason other than the opportunity just being there.

Perhaps it's my Vherokior blood.. Cool

I'll probably stay there until the next wormhole.

@lunettelulu7
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#68 - 2015-05-08 18:10:16 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.

Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?

Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?



Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh".

Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget.

Nostalgia

and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them


One big meh

and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#69 - 2015-05-08 18:18:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.

Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?

Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?



Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh".

Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget.

Nostalgia

and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them


One big meh

and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh
"Meh" is a very discouraging and disheartening reaction.

Why not help creating a new golden age?

The good days aren't gone ...
... they just aren't being lived anymore.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#70 - 2015-05-08 18:30:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni used to only base from aldrat 5 jumps from hek, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub, and maybe became attached to it after leaving uni. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#71 - 2015-05-08 18:33:16 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there.
That's certainly a way to see it.
I like the additional information you provide.

The newb organisations strike me, though.

Who would that be?
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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#72 - 2015-05-08 18:36:03 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there.
That's certainly a way to see it.
I like the additional information you provide.

The newb organisations strike me, though.

Who would that be?


Eve uni was basically the only choice for a long time, and you'd have to go to aldrat to get free skill books and hulls etc. now they have set up in syndicate, placid, some other place as well iirc. On top uou also have karmafleet, BNI, horde, and whatnot.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#73 - 2015-05-08 20:17:41 UTC
IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.

Hopefully I never see any of you again.

Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#74 - 2015-05-08 21:08:04 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.

Hopefully I never see any of you again.

Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.

That's really one way too obvious bait.
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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2015-05-08 22:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Daerrol
distance from Jita
Hek is a major trade hub... 0.5 sec status ya rly
What is there? FW space... and? Nothing. Wildlands has crappy exlpo.

Still better than Khanid/Ammatar.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#76 - 2015-05-09 00:11:03 UTC
Look what happened. ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#77 - 2015-05-09 00:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Elenahina wrote:
I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while.
...
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas.
Is the Minmatar a token race / space? Twisted

I would also like to point out that, people don't have to haul from other trade hubs. Minmatar space could just supply itself with some manufacturers and by picking a new station in a safer system.

Nothing forcing us all to use Rens or Hek.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#78 - 2015-05-09 01:36:57 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:

From this angle, Minmatar are the only ones who exist just for the sake of existing,
while all others actually provide something people can identify with.


Minmatar are nearly the only choice I can identify with. They seem to be more individualistic. The other races are caricatures. Religious nutters, corporate/military jackoffs... Gallente I could probably put up with, maybe a bit too hedonistic for me but they're artsy so I'm sure we could find some common ground.

But yeah, Gallente and Caldari are the most generic, general sci-fi races, with ships that mimic real life battleships and such... so I can see why they would draw in the masses. If you want to feel like you're in Star Trek/Star Wars/some other dated IP/some anime crap, then Caldari/Gallente is the way to go.

However, Minmatar sort of has the underdog role, which is usually popular I think?

As for the color theory, I wouldn't be surprised if the red nebulae has a part to play. Caldari/Amarr space feels more natural to us probably, mimicking the yellow light of the sun or the blue light of the sky. Gallente green feels murky and underwater, which is still not quite as alien as Minmatar's red light. When I think of red light I think of sci-fi movies about Mars or "dark rooms" for photography. Red light tends to make everything really monochromatic. Not very pleasing or natural feeling. Personally, I think CCP went way overboard with all of the nebulae.

All of my main-ish characters are Minmatar, and I stuck mostly to Minmatar space for my first couple years in this game. Mostly because my mains at the time were in a small corp down there. I think I remember seeing one of your characters flashy red all the time down there, Solecist. It was a male character though. And I seem to remember him hanging out somewhere along the route from Hek to Oppold. Maturat maybe.

Anyway, I left Minmatar space because I got sick of having to travel all the way up to Caldari all the time to get at the best exploration loot, or to get to Amarr/Jita. Now I'm stationed between Amarr/Jita for easy access to everything. I recently tried coming back down to Minmatar space, and looked for other explorers to play with, but I didn't see anyone running sites so I got bored and went back to Caldari space. Minmatar space actually has the second most valuable exploration loot so I would expect there to be a decent number of explorers around.

Minmatar has the coolest music in their intro video thing.
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#79 - 2015-05-09 02:04:57 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Look what happened. ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be


That drifter stuff could become something really nice, no doubt about that. I prefer the scope vids that are used as participatory design methods though. Hell, even a good freighter gank or a market coup may be newsworthy and might even encourage some people to take a few more risks. After all "Look mum, i'm on TV!" is quite a desirable asset.



Footnote: If you're wondering what PD has to do with CCP, just search for "Andie Nordgren" on Youtube.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2015-05-09 04:54:39 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:



Hek is a dead place

Thanks!






What the Hek are you talking sbout !!?

what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness??

form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine .

market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead.

PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems.

the low sec systems also have roaming gangs .


so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.