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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-05-07 11:59:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Hi folks,

I'd like to try WH hunting, since I've saved some money and spotted a suitable group. For now I think a Stratios is my best bet. I'm used to drone gameplay and I like the design.

However I don't know if I should build it with dual repper or a 1600mm plate. I don't know if I could handle both Sleeper's and target's fire with a dual-rep fit, on the other hand I'm not used to buffer fit.

With double repper I got an AB fit to improve cap and help my tanking with sig tank. And with the 1600mm I'd use a MWD which could allow me to "quickly" run if things are getting bad. It has around 50k EHP which is not bad, but still relatively weak.

What do you guys think ?
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2 - 2015-05-07 12:13:33 UTC
If it's for PvE I've found plate + 1 rep and AB works pretty well. Not ideal mind you, but it goes ok in low class holes.

Disciple of Bob
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-05-07 12:25:08 UTC
Maybe I didn't explain very well. I'm looking for a ganking fit.
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#4 - 2015-05-07 12:44:49 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Maybe I didn't explain very well. I'm looking for a ganking fit.


Right. Well, plate + ancillary rep is still a good option, but yeah, I'd want an MWD. PG may be an issue if you're trying to fit neuts in the highs. cbf plugging it into EFT.

Disciple of Bob
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-05-07 13:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Quote:

[Stratios, Gankmobile]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactor Control Unit II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Garde II x4
Ogre I x4
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


Here's what I come up with. Without any boost or implants :

522 DPS with Garde and Conflagration
52.4k EHP
1226 m/s

The DPS is ok, but I got less neut pressure than I expected and I don't think it can kills well tanked farmers. The fit is extra-tight even with an RCU, I'd really love to free this low slot form more DPS.

Quote:

[Legion, Gankmobile Reloaded]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


263 DPS
77.4k EHP
1245 m/s

Here is an intresting alternative. It costs an additional 70M and has a crappy DPS , but a very good neut pressure to neutralize any active tanking and way more EHP. Still not ideal tough. Let's try something else.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-07 23:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Wow, this thread is only 5 posts in and already has some top notch advice in it...

The best way to fit a solo/small gang PVP Stratios is armour buffer + neuts.
You get 60k EHP out of a Stratios pretty easily while still being able to fit 3x medium neuts.
When you're hunting PVE ships, the 3 neuts are more than enough to cap out anything you're likely to run into in the lower classes. They don't shut off missiles obviously but PVE tengus are not know for their tank once they have no cap.

This is the fit I have been using and am a big fan of:

Quote:
[Stratios, Cloaky]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Gecko x2


Note that this fit requires a 5% grid implant which people seem to get all huffy about.
If you don't want to fork out for one, you can drop the afterburner and if all fits with a 1% implant.

Fit gets 60k EHP and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Fill the rest of the bay with an assortment of drones to taste.

(Midgrade slave add 11k EHP for the fancier pilots.)

You can use this just fine against other PVP ships too, just be aware that you do relly on your neuts to shut down incoming DPS of larger ships and on your drones for DPS.

Overall I like this ship a lot and would recommend it over ANY cloaky T3 ship/fit.

Your engagement profile is obviously still limited but is made a lot broader by your full rack of neuts.
You're also faster and more agile than an armour T3 which makes a big difference.

Fly with a mobile depot in cargo along with an armour rep to fix up between fights and spare drones.

I've seen dual rep fits before too but they have the issue of not being able to engage against other PVP ships almost at all and the tank isnt great.
I've also looked into a plate + rep fit (i do this on my proteus to great effect) but you lose too much DPS if you drop the damage mod and you sacrifice a neut for it which i really don't like. The tank from even a c-type rep is only ~200ish which isnt great and your cap life suffers a lot.

PS: Never, ever, fly a covops legion as anything other than a joke...

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#7 - 2015-05-07 23:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Shelby Dusette
Jack Miton wrote:
PS: Never, ever, fly a covops legion as anything other than a joke...

Oi. Leave my cloaky, nullified, tackling neut Legion alone. Straight

Neutted you out just fine when you tried to awox me while I was afking it up innocently at the pos.

Picking on child capsuleers, tsk tsk.

(on a serious note, I agree with the advice in this thread, as someone who used to fly a shield Strat. I've seen how successful Jack's fit is and friends have used it with similar success too. +1)

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-08 00:11:09 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:
(on a serious note, I agree with the advice in this thread, as someone who used to fly a shield Strat. I've seen how successful Jack's fit is and friends have used it with similar success too. +1)

hah! yeah, pve prots are freebies for this fit :)

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Paul Vashar
CTHS
#9 - 2015-05-08 00:58:19 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:
blah blah

Y U kill us while Me not online? RL work sucks Cry
I want to pew teh Dusettes
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#10 - 2015-05-08 02:57:20 UTC
Paul Vashar wrote:
Shelby Dusette wrote:
blah blah

Y U kill us while Me not online? RL work sucks Cry
I want to pew teh Dusettes

I'm not my sister's keeper, yo.

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#11 - 2015-05-08 07:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ab'del Abu
Jack Miton wrote:


This is the fit I have been using and am a big fan of:

Quote:
[Stratios, Cloaky]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Gecko x2


Nice, have to refit my stratios now ;(

If you go storyline for neuts and cap booster you can drop the pg implant and fit some omega instead. I reckon a set of talismans would be useful for that extra neuting. A set of mid-graders is dirt cheap.



Jack Miton wrote:

PS: Never, ever, fly a covops legion as anything other than a joke...


But but. I like my cloaky 110 gj/s 200k ehp legion.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-05-08 11:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Jack Miton wrote:
Wow, this thread is only 5 posts in and already has some top notch advice in it...

The best way to fit a solo/small gang PVP Stratios is armour buffer + neuts.
You get 60k EHP out of a Stratios pretty easily while still being able to fit 3x medium neuts.
When you're hunting PVE ships, the 3 neuts are more than enough to cap out anything you're likely to run into in the lower classes. They don't shut off missiles obviously but PVE tengus are not know for their tank once they have no cap.

This is the fit I have been using and am a big fan of:

Quote:
[Stratios, Cloaky]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Gecko x2


Note that this fit requires a 5% grid implant which people seem to get all huffy about.
If you don't want to fork out for one, you can drop the afterburner and if all fits with a 1% implant.

Fit gets 60k EHP and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Fill the rest of the bay with an assortment of drones to taste.

(Midgrade slave add 11k EHP for the fancier pilots.)

You can use this just fine against other PVP ships too, just be aware that you do relly on your neuts to shut down incoming DPS of larger ships and on your drones for DPS.

Overall I like this ship a lot and would recommend it over ANY cloaky T3 ship/fit.

Your engagement profile is obviously still limited but is made a lot broader by your full rack of neuts.
You're also faster and more agile than an armour T3 which makes a big difference.

Fly with a mobile depot in cargo along with an armour rep to fix up between fights and spare drones.

I've seen dual rep fits before too but they have the issue of not being able to engage against other PVP ships almost at all and the tank isnt great.
I've also looked into a plate + rep fit (i do this on my proteus to great effect) but you lose too much DPS if you drop the damage mod and you sacrifice a neut for it which i really don't like. The tank from even a c-type rep is only ~200ish which isnt great and your cap life suffers a lot.

PS: Never, ever, fly a covops legion as anything other than a joke...


I love the dual prop idea but it requires an expensive implants. I think I'll remove a trimark to add a 2nd ACR. I lower my EHP to 50k but given the sig tank it provides me I think it's better than a single prop MWD version.

It's quite expensive (it's the 1st time I'm flying something bigger than a T1 cruiser in PvP be gentle ^^) but I guess it'll do the trick and is relatively low risk if I'm careful about baits.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-05-08 13:55:11 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
It's quite expensive (it's the 1st time I'm flying something bigger than a T1 cruiser in PvP be gentle ^^) but I guess it'll do the trick and is relatively low risk if I'm careful about baits.

with geckos it's about the same as a T2 fit T3 yeah.
you can always drop the EANMs to T2 to save 100mil and forgo the geckos to save another 100mil.

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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-05-08 14:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Jack Miton wrote:

with geckos it's about the same as a T2 fit T3 yeah.
you can always drop the EANMs to T2 to save 100mil and forgo the geckos to save another 100mil.


That's word for word what I've done. Thanks for the dual prop set up, I'm going to try it as soon as possible.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-05-08 15:17:48 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
It's quite expensive (it's the 1st time I'm flying something bigger than a T1 cruiser in PvP be gentle ^^) but I guess it'll do the trick and is relatively low risk if I'm careful about baits.

with geckos it's about the same as a T2 fit T3 yeah.
you can always drop the EANMs to T2 to save 100mil and forgo the geckos to save another 100mil.


Wonder where you got that stratios fit from Jack :)

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2015-05-08 16:41:33 UTC
Personally I'm more keen on rep fits for solo ganking because with buffer it's a race against the clock

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#17 - 2015-05-08 17:51:32 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Personally I'm more keen on rep fits for solo ganking because with buffer it's a race against the clock



I figured with strong drugs and pimpy reppers an active fit would be far superior. It didn't stand up to... playtesting however.

Too many ganks are really just you chewing down on bait and incoming DPS is quickly too much in my experience.

I like the buffer neut fit Miton posted, most of my corpies run something similar and it performs pretty well.

For a jaded ISKFit I think the shield fits floating around would be fun, but they're not really what OP is looking for.