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ISK income for a PVPer?

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Squid Ink
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-05-07 19:29:40 UTC
I want to do small scale PVP but I want to have the money for it!

Thanks for any help! Big smile


    Question 1:
  • Should I skill up a trader / miner first?


    Question 2:
  • How much should I skill up the trading / mining skills to start?


    Question 3:
  • Should these skills be on a separate character?
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-05-07 19:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
If you fly on the cheap (like me) you can get away with very little grind. My corp lives in low sec and a good portio of them are PVP pilots. The we make our money is by sharing combat exploration sites and anoms. Some belt ratting here and there. Others like Cara do some station trading on the side with an alt.

Personally I dabble in a lot of things. Making isk isn't that fun for me, but acquiring it in many different ways keeps it fresh and entertaining. I do archeology sites on an alt when I feel like playing EVE alone, and am dabbling with station trading as well from time to time.

My point is, it's fairly easy to make enough to fly and lose reasonably fit T1 Cruisers (as well as T2 and T1 frigates) fairly regularly. In fact, one of our more industrially inclined members has already made 5 times more isk than I've ever had and she's only 3 months into the game. Try different things, there is no one way to make ISK for PvP. If you'd rather stick to one character, I'd recommend exploration. Probing skills are always useful, and learning how to evade people in low/null and WHs is good practice for ship to ship PvP as well.

EDIT: About mining. Mining is generally considered the least efficient way to make ISK. Only train mining related skills if mining itself is something you actually enjoy. I recommended exploration since getting Astrometrics 4 and the support skills to 3 is a relatively quick train, and very useful for day to day life in EVE, for isk, travel, logistics, combat probing etc...

Grrr.

Memphis Baas
#3 - 2015-05-07 19:48:36 UTC
In my opinion, this game has a pretty serious grind to make money, partly because there's no xp grind (skills just get trained). If you really want PVP, a PLEX can get you 800 million and that should be sufficient for frigate (and some cruiser) scale PVP for a long time.

My recommendation if you want to grind for ISK would be to get into FW (faction warfare), where you get LP (loyalty points) for capturing or defending various nodes of interest out in lowsec, and you can easily spend the LP to get items and cash. This would be the equivalent of grinding Honor in battlegrounds in other MMOs, for gear and cash.

Or you can do the PVE activities: exploration (and combat at the sites that you find), combat missions from various agents, mining if you want, some trading once you get a running capital (500m in your wallet), w/e. None of these require a lot of skills to get started, and you can train into the bigger ships (for the bigger profits) as you go.

Or, you can just spend $20 and get a PLEX, sell that for 800 million, and be set for a while.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#4 - 2015-05-07 20:41:22 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
you can just spend $20 and get a PLEX, sell that for 800 million, and be set for a while.


QFT.

This is a game, do not do what you do not like. If you like doing missions, like me - do them and level 4 mission will give you steady income even in high sec. If you like scumming - go for it. But do not do mining or other boring stuff just to get ISK. On the other hand there are ppl, who are fond of mining. If you are one of them - you can count with about 10-20 milions max in high sec. Security missions will give you much more, incursions even more than this, but incursions mean play on schedule, cause you are dependent on fleet. Rating in null can also be good and relatively safe ISK income, if you find quiet place to do this.
Eladanus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-05-07 20:41:55 UTC
As Memphis said above, buying a PLEX is an easy way - sure it's not in-game ISK making really, but that £16/$20/whatever is going to keep you in T1 Atrons/Condors/Kestrels/whatever for a good long time.

Alternatively, look at exploration - the skills are transferrable into scouting for gang/fleet and if you ever move into a wormhole. ISK is unreliable, but you can make hundreds of millions a day, or even an hour, if you're lucky. Plus you're likely to run into some accidental PVP whilst you explore low/nul anyways.
Squid Ink
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-05-07 21:34:35 UTC
Thank you ALL for the awesome replies!!!

Azda Ja wrote:
If you fly on the cheap (like me) you can get away with very little grind. My corp lives in low sec and a good portio of them are PVP pilots. The we make our money is by sharing combat exploration sites and anoms. Some belt ratting here and there. Others like Cara do some station trading on the side with an alt.

Personally I dabble in a lot of things. Making isk isn't that fun for me, but acquiring it in many different ways keeps it fresh and entertaining. I do archeology sites on an alt when I feel like playing EVE alone, and am dabbling with station trading as well from time to time.

My point is, it's fairly easy to make enough to fly and lose reasonably fit T1 Cruisers (as well as T2 and T1 frigates) fairly regularly. In fact, one of our more industrially inclined members has already made 5 times more isk than I've ever had and she's only 3 months into the game. Try different things, there is no one way to make ISK for PvP. If you'd rather stick to one character, I'd recommend exploration. Probing skills are always useful, and learning how to evade people in low/null and WHs is good practice for ship to ship PvP as well.

EDIT: About mining. Mining is generally considered the least efficient way to make ISK. Only train mining related skills if mining itself is something you actually enjoy. I recommended exploration since getting Astrometrics 4 and the support skills to 3 is a relatively quick train, and very useful for day to day life in EVE, for isk, travel, logistics, combat probing etc...



Mostly I want THIS ^^^^

Small scale pvp (with cheap boats,) some scallywags to hang with... and variety.

Exploration sounds perfect! Gonna check it out :)

Azda Ja ... I'm too noob, but I'm curious: What would I aim for to make my way into a corp like yours? It sounds like the sort of gang I'd enjoy!
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#7 - 2015-05-07 23:39:42 UTC
If you just wanna small-scale PVP and aren't particular about the where, sign up for FW.

With FW, you pvp when there are enemies, then when there aren't you can sit in complexes a bit in the same general space and get loyalty points to convert to stuff, and convert the stuff to isk and the isk to more ships to get blown up in.

If you want a separate activity missions are designed to add isk to the economy, so training a BC or a basic BS and doing level 4 or 3 missions for a pile of bounties and LP somewhere in high sec or null sec a bit away from your active pvp area is your best "safe" bet for income. It's not necessarily the highest-income side activity you can do (that's probably exploration), but it has a moderate to low time investment and because CCP's explicit design philosophy is "missions give isk, mining gives minerals" it's unlikely that your mission income will be nerfed much by future patches.

(And I've reached the point where I recall offhand general design philosophy statements beyond actual game mechanics for this game. Neeeeeeeerds.)
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-05-08 00:02:40 UTC
Squid Ink wrote:

Mostly I want THIS ^^^^

Small scale pvp (with cheap boats,) some scallywags to hang with... and variety.

Exploration sounds perfect! Gonna check it out :)

Azda Ja ... I'm too noob, but I'm curious: What would I aim for to make my way into a corp like yours? It sounds like the sort of gang I'd enjoy!


Honestly the best way is to just be as social as possible. I joined this corp through an invitation from one of my mentors after I decided to close down the corp I founded. Now, this isn't the recruitment forum, so I won't get into what it takes to join GSLLC (check your mail, soonish), but here is a good thread to look through on how to go about finding a corp: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331341&find=unread

A lot of it is just common sense, but it's worth looking through when you have a moment. Finding a good corp in EVE can be daunting, especially since corps mean much more gameplay wise than 'guilds' do in other MMOs.

Something to keep in mind:

People in EVE tend to like newbies who are proactive and enthusiastic. While most vets will be more than happy to explain things and help out, a certain 'DIY' ethic is generally expected in EVE. Please don't misunderstand now, DO ask questions and try to discuss things, talking about various mechanics will accelerate the learning process tremendously.

If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a convo or mail and I'll answer as best I can, or put you in touch with someone who can.

Welcome!

Grrr.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-05-08 04:35:39 UTC
One other source of PVP ISK that's beyond your reach now, but worth considering in the future, is blowing up POSes that belong to other players and stealing the stuff that's in them.

I might know a group that recently came into possession of about 30 billion worth of tech 2 components and 5 billion worth of blueprints in just one tower. That's an extreme outlier, but it's not rare to find 2-3b in a tower wreck.

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#10 - 2015-05-08 04:35:54 UTC
I run DED 5/10 sites and other combat signatures and escalations in low sec. The DED takes about 20 minutes to run in a PvP fit HAC, and drops 50m to 500m depending on luck. The advantage is that you can combine scanning down the DEDs very easily with finding targets, you can then run the sites whenever you're low on players to shoot.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-05-08 05:01:11 UTC
PvP isn't for making money. Except for the rare occasion when you pop a faction/Deadspace fit mission runner or a loaded indy, you're not going to get a big haul.

Running sites and anoms is where I make my money... which I use to support my PvP habit.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#12 - 2015-05-08 05:53:23 UTC
I think running anoms and escalations or even missions are good for a pvper, the skills are hand in hand.

@lunettelulu7

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2015-05-08 05:59:43 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I think running anoms and escalations or even missions are good for a pvper, the skills are hand in hand.


Some in-game skills overlap a bit (gunnery, etc) but out-of-game skills (target prioritization, attentiveness, etc) for PVP are often actually harmed by doing a lot of PVE.

PVE usually lets you take your time deciding 'yeah, I'm losing this fight, better disengage'. PVP you have to make that decision very, very fast.

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#14 - 2015-05-08 08:14:39 UTC
The trick is to fly what you can afford/enjoy to grind. If you don't have 2-5B in isk, don't buy a 2B ship+ fit.

Personally i find doing PvE in a group way better. But even without that, both PI and lvl 4 missions+LP was more than enough to be able to welp half a dozen cruisers a week. Just don't dead space fit them :D

Also i have another account with only 3.5M sp. he is running lvl 3 missions no problem and can make about 10-15M per hour as I watch youtube on the other screen. So only 2-3 hours per cruiser loss. He can't even fit t2 tank mods.

This game is fairly low on grind unless your obsessed with that number on the Z. like incursion runners? I never see them spend isk!

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Solecist Project
#15 - 2015-05-08 11:21:46 UTC
I agree to PLEX for ALL THE THNGS!

If you stay cheap, you'll still win, but can do so hu dreds of times with a single PLEX.

Best isk/fun conversion rate.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
#16 - 2015-05-08 11:36:45 UTC
I easily pay for my pvp habit by station trading on a couple alts (such as this forum toon), as well as enough to convert isk to plex to pay for 3 accounts and to be sitting on quite a bit of extra isk.

It does take a little work but I do most of this while I am pvping, there is always a lot of time where I am in a fleet waiting for something to happen, and can update market orders on 2nd screen during these lulls.

Station trading requires few skills, the hardest part is getting enough capital to invest, which I did get from grinding anomolies in null, but it has been months since I've had to.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#17 - 2015-05-08 14:07:15 UTC
Another vote for trading Alts. I don't do station trading because I don't have the patience for it. Simple arbitrage though, anyone with a bit if business sense can do and easily do a PLEX worth per month without much effort at all.

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Solecist Project
#18 - 2015-05-08 14:22:20 UTC
Be famous or well known for what you do.
That requires you to be publicly active in local.

If you leave lasting impressions on enough people ...
... you can feed off of that for years to come without needing to work a single day.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-05-08 14:39:39 UTC
Exotic Matters wrote:
Station trading requires few skills, the hardest part is getting enough capital to invest, which I did get from grinding anomolies in null, but it has been months since I've had to.

Memphis Baas wrote:
some trading once you get a running capital (500m in your wallet)

I hear this a lot. I just want to point out that I started trading with 4 million in my wallet and had a couple billion in two months. You don't need a lot of capital to start trading. In fact if you trade actively you can multiply your money very quickly at low amounts because the margins are very high.

Of course, a lot of my success had to do with having knowledge of the game and what modules are useful for, how they are produced, who buys them, etc which is harder for a new player. But it's still a great way to make some money and I find it more fun than PVE personally.

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