EVE New Citizens Q&A

I kind of pictured the ship as being a basic or core design, and then modules tweak the baseline stats to emphasize one aspect over another.

However.

I have been advised to fit 200-400mm plates on my PVP ships, and it grans a gain of armor up to 300% the original value of the ship, in contrast to how ship skills only increase damage output of a turret by 25%.

I have tried using EFT and found that when skills are all together, T2 guns give up to 300% more damage over a bare newbie ship.

Even the benefits of damage mods in lows outweight the benefits of istabs or cap stuff, even though the fitting on istabs or cap stuff is really cheap. Both of these feel like the ship matters less than the fit.

To me, it feels like the game is about lack of balance rather than true balance. 50mm and 100mm plate they tell me are useless to fit on a ship, like small shield extenders or boosters. I believe this is because the scaling of strict number modules are far superior to the scaling of percentage modules, barring heat sinks. It seems to me like efficiency should get less as you get more power out of something, and we see that with stacking penalties, but there are no stacking penalties for strict numbers modules, as that wouldn't really make sense anyway.

iTried iStabs and they make it easier to turn and stay on target in close range, and also be faster. Instead of 600 ms speed orbit at 2100 for orbit 1000m, 640-650 ms speed orbit at 1900 for orbit 1000m.

However, this is seen as a waste by anyone who sees the design. I have tried to fit a ship in such as way that the PG and CPU are all used up, so that there is no fitting left, but an empty slot, to put an iStab for better ship tweaking of its abilities, and this is still considered a bad design by people.

To me, this feels shallow if this is really true. Is it the case that damage and tank mods simply outshine any other setup involving cap stuff, agility stuiff, etc?

I have tried two istabs on AB punisher with 400mm plate, and the thing it really seems to help with is acceleration so afterburner doesnt mess with align time as bad.

Im saying I feel like the choices are either plates and resists, or resists, or nanofiber, and then damage mods. It seems like theres no value for any other rigs out there and the damage or defense multiplication of ships with skills or certain modules seems to make the game more shallow.

Dat feeling when the super fleet warps faster then your ishtar fleet -.-


@Crash Omaristos
As I said it allways depends on the circumstances and if you become more expirienced in eve and get to see a lot of the stuff out there you will see that most of the mods or rigs have their uses.

Istabs are quite special mods, they give you a boost in align time (not speed) but bloom your sig. Usually nanofibers are the better choice for more speed and agility. But here comes the tricky part, the EvE universe clocks with 1Hz, hence a paper align time of 2.9s is equally good/bad as 2.1s, both fits will align/warp from standstill in 3s. If you want to achieve a boost in align time below a threshold, you may actually choose an Istab over a nano, if the sig penalty is acceptable (shield tank for example).

Although there are general guidelines ... the variety of viable fitting options is much higher than the mainstream stuff you find on eveuni. Don't always do what other people say, they may be used to standard fits for comfort which may not be optimal in your particular situation. Answer yourself, what space I will fight, solo/small/large fleet, what opponents do you want to fight, what are their standard fits ... and then, how do I counter this with my ship, what modules do I need and what preference should I give to gank/tank/speed/durability.

For example, if you want to make farmer farming in FW to your profession, you need to fit for speed (actual plus warp) and at least 2 scrams with the option to add a 3rd if you encounter those 4-stabbed Incursus.

It's a lot of experimenting plus theorycrafting in EFT ...

Not necessarily, but it's a good leading indicator, honestly.

The only slots that are frequently left open in a PvP fit, because in PvP the difference of a few percent can occasionally actually matter, are utility high-slots, and even those tend to have cheap targeting modifiers slotted in just to have something.

Also, non-optimized doesn't mean useless, you can get a decent amount of utility out of maneuverability modules and fiddling with your ship's navigation profile. Warp speed especially can be the difference between the fleet warping in together and half the fleet getting killed before the other half gets there. So someone telling you that a fit's not great probably means it's not great for what they think you're using it for, not that it has no use in any situation.


All that said, your fundamental problem seems to be that you are asking people's opinions, and then getting butthurt when they give it to you. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.. Learn to take criticism like a normal person, man. You're not going to make it far in this game if even people giving you advice you asked them for is all it takes to produce tears.

The mistake you are making is looking at these fittings ...
... assumi g they apply in general.

Tbh I don't quite see your point. None of this seems to actually affect you ...
... or your way of playkng and fitting. You make it more of an issue than it is.

And taking big fleet fights as measurement stick is a bad idea.

There is more variety than that.

There is no module that provides a bonus for combat.
Every module makes sense. How you apply that sense is important.

Some are great for this situation, some for that.

Of course you will fit big buffer if you know you will hit a big alpha fleet.

You are overthinking this.

As you are starting to realize, that's simply not true.

A PVP ship (hull) in EVE is mainly:

. Class (frigate, battlecruiser, etc.)
. Bonuses
. Module slots + Drone bandwidth & bay
. Base resists
. Speed + mass & agility
. PG and CPU

usually in that order of importance. Base shield/armor/hull HP (excluding resists) is usually quite similar within a ship class, as are things like sig radius, sensor resolution, sensor strength, capacitor, etc. (with several notable outliers).


So in most cases, ship fitting in EVE involves:

1. Knowing the job the ship must perform
2. Selecting the appropriate class
3. Selecting the specific ship, based firstly on bonuses, then slot layout etc. as above
4. Fitting the approriate mods for the task at hand. The mods, as you are realizing, make a huge difference


For example, if you want a fast, agile sniper:

. You'll consider frigates and destroyers
. You'll see that slicers, harpies, cormorants and a few others have huge weapon range bonuses
. You'll pick one and then fit it as a sniper (long range guns, range mods, lock-range mods, damage mods)


In some cases, the job at hand will dictate the weapon system, which will in turn dictate the best ship for the job. For example, tornadoes are used for long-range one-shotting because they can fit large artillery which has long range and high alpha.


There are obviously numerous exceptions to this general approach, that's the beauty of EVE fitting. Which is, in fact, very flexible and almost an art. It's just more about the modules and less about the ship than you maybe thought.

OP, in your posts you are complaining about that other than "recommended" modules have no value ...which sounds a bit narrow-minded to us. There are some modules which are rarely used (like the 50/100 plates or small shield extenders), but the vast majority is well balanced and has its use cases.

BTW, you are talking a lot about plates, but did you have a look at all the active tank options?

BTW2, 200/400 plates are for frigs and dessies, 800/1600 are for cruisers and above.

Yes, this is a loss of ... 1% fitting options? I'm sure the module re-balancing currently in progress will soon have a closer look at these ... EvE is a game of 12 years, there is some historical stuff which was useful at some point but is not today. Learn, get used to it, and you are fine. If people laugh at you, fitting those modules as a newbie (not knowing better), then get over it and join a better group of people.