Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No you don't. Greed is the biggest risk in high sec. Don't haul more then 2B at once and you are relatively safe.

Compared to what? Mining frigs, barges and exhumers don't have much to show either, except for some drones who do ****. you are an industrial ship, not a compat ship, live with it. Besides, a webbing alt does wonders.

banks don't transfer their money in a 40t truck, but in small, specialized armoered trucks. Those exist in eve, too. Take a look at DSTs or the new cloaky, nullified shuttle.

1. No thanks
2. No thanks.
3. Don't fly through 0.5?

A bumper doesn't do anything to your freighter. The bumper alone isn't your problem, it's his buddy/buddies who shoot at you. That means you only have a problem when outnumbered at least 2:1. But if you take a webbing alt, bumping is (almost) impossible.

T2 haulers are boss. Seriously they don't need a buff. That is both as a person using them and avoiding ganks as well as ganking in the past. Also i freight with a alt (Fenir). Ganking is a lot more common, but its easy to avoid.

+1 for Serpentis drug running boat

Wow, that a lot of frustration in a single post. Gankers do not hate haulers, nor do they hate miners for that matter. Gankers perform the valuable service of providing some risk to New Eden by plying their piratical trade. Without them, everything would be hauled AFK by freighter making this game a very dreary one to play.

Haulers have all the tools to move things safely. There are three ships, the jump freighter, the blockade runner, and the deep space transport which are effectively immune to bumping and ganking when actively piloted. A properly placed cyno makes the JF literally 100% immune to gankers and while when piloted correctly (with insta-docks and undocks and use of the cloak) the BR is practically uncatchable. The DST can fit a MJD (unbumpable) and the role bonuses make the tank of that thing even greater than a freighter to the point where it cannot be ganked without an adversary expending a huge amount of effort.

Even a freighter can be moved with near perfect safety (see Red Frog stats I linked above) with a proper webbing/scouting escort so I really don't get where this crying for increased safety is coming from. Are you just mad that you can't undock, press 'Autopilot' and gain a benefit in game without expending any effort? Because if so, that is not what Eve is all about and you might be playing the wrong game.

With proper collateral ratios, of course.



Goodpoast by CCP Falcon.

However, I am uncertain whether the inability to "safely" log-out in a freighter bumping situation is intended, as a mere lock prevents one from doing that. I think even if your client crashes, the ship will not initiate warp while locked by someone else.

Empty freighters get footballed.

I think haulers are fine. You can tank them properly if you are willing to sacrifice cargo.
Ad please, no guns on them

A touchy topic as always.

To me, the only problem with HS ganking is it relies on bumping. Although it's an archaic design flaw in eve, these days it's specifically machariels which retain this ability - too fast for such a big ship tbh. Without bumping, gankers would have a very tough time getting the job done (and I've seen them work, it's not as easy to accomplish as some might think, and bumpers are kickass pilots). So, barring a 'fix' to the machariel, some other options for improving the situation:

DST's are excellent. The designers got around the lowslot cargo expander/tank dilemma by giving them a specialised hanger. The last freighter rebalance gave them lowslots, but that doesn't really help the shield freighters as much as the armour ones. If freighters had a (max with level 5) 600,000m3 hanger, they could be given slot arrangements, pg and cpu like proper starships without stepping on the >1mil m3 limit. i.e. 2 mids, 2 lows for gallente and matari ships, 3 low/1 mid for amarr and 3 mid/1 low for caldari. Allow them enough pg and cpu to fit BS sized modules and capital rigs. Lower their base structure a bit, as a DC would most likely be fit in the lows and they'll be able to fit local reps etc. Fitting such modules doesn't greatly help afk pilots since the DC still needs to be turned on, along with reps.

This would give them them the ability to self-repair armour, hull and shield as needed, though not so fast as to be overwhelmingly tougher. Their maximum number of targets stays at 0, so they still can't be used as combat vessels and benefit from escorts and are, of course, still vulnerable to bumping.

Someone mentioned that blockade runners blow up often and I think there was a sarcastic comment about freighters flying into low. Having flown the former and directed operations in the past involving the later, I can tell you the implied conclusions of both statements are false.

While these are merely glib and unextrapolated anecdotes. I personally have flown the same prowler for 3 and a half years. As for freighters, a simple web and properly probed wormhole route is all you need to move through anywhere unmolested. This principle can be applied to any slow alignment ship of concern to you(the op).

And that is the end of this discussion.

I can screenshot the completed Courier contract.

Two hundred fifty million was paid for a cargo worth 2.5bn ISK, which I acquired for 1.8bn - a total of 770k m3 with numerous unassembled ship hulls, so the courier received 35% of my profits to jump into Antem, then haul it 1j to HS and into a trade hub.

There was an Aeon in the system at the time, and I was scouting - tricky part was the jump in, once in warp it's smooth sailing.

Sarcasm doesn't move three quarters of a million cubic metres of wares out of Lowsecks, real men do - http://imgur.com/a/AGa6W#1

Best damn Freelancer I've ever met - you'll find him in the Haulers Channel.

A few things wrong with this. Your first mistake was expecting game mechanics to come from a talk from a player talking about the group he works with. Then you move on to say you just get a lame 3 lows. You can do a TON with 3 lows that bring so many additional fitting options compared to when you couldn't fit anything.
Then you go on about security. You are absolutely correct but what you don't realize is that support isn't the games job to give you. It's your job to find or pay someone to give it to you just like how it's on you to find and pay a webber if you want (or of course use an alt).

then the list
1- Why? How? What situation does this protect against and how is it countered?
2- Before considering this idea, did you think about how it would affect anyone except haulers? Imagine the chaos this would cause in PvP? Or if a null entity or someone with too much isk comes into high sec and blows up multiple freighters on undock at jita. Plus would this apply for other smaller haulers?
3- LOW SLOTS ARE USED FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE WHY WERE YOU DISSING THEM EARLIER!?
4- again you didn't put any thought in to this besides for the job you do. Bumping is an insanely common thing in ganking, pvp, and fleets. It would serve you some good (though undocks could cause you and others quite a lot of damage if it's busy) and be a hindrance to everyone else.

all in all -1