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Charlotte Momaki
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-05-07 04:03:43 UTC
hi I am Charlotte, my bf play EVE at home, seemingly shooting lasers on roids and he called it mining. I find this very boring and wonders how he actually keep doing it all the time.

so I googled this game and from various sources this game is not just the mining game "he" plays. so I started to play this game yesterday, hopefully blowing him up in surprise one day Pirate (he didn't know I joined the game, probably until one day he **** me off and I decided to shoot his ugly looking mining ship)

so this is the problem, although there are various guides and that AURA thingy, I still don't understand how the skill training thingy worked, as skills are obviously related to how things work, but how?

I read about modules, they are supposed to do their things like guns are shooting and plates are tanking, does it mean I can put all the things on and go ahead? I have literally no idea.

and the market. certainly things cost bucks (I think it is isk here?), how do I earn enough bucks to buy the things I needed? and no please don't say mining, I have seen enough of it.

thanks for advice in advance, please help me delivers the best surprise to an unexpected poor soul, i want him to play game like a game, not sitting there watching the fxxking monitor doing literally NOTHING. he needs to learn a lesson here
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-05-07 04:16:54 UTC
you want directions then turn left!

Most skills give a bonus, so each level you train things get better. Some skills have a description that says what they do and what the bonus is per level. For some other skills they don't do anything on their own, but the item they affect has the bonus on it (mostly the spaceship command skills). Also in many cases skills are required to fit items to ships, or to fly the ship.

you can put whatever on, but that is usually inefficient. most ships have generally accepted fittings. Supposedly EVE-Uni has a bunch of decent fittings.

many ways to make isk. My prefered way is by killing NPCs and collecting bounty, also by running missions and collecting LP, then trading the LP for items and selling the items on the market. Can also try Exploring, various sites in space can drop a lot in mods that you can sell on the market for isk. And there is always trading (although I find that about as fun as mining)

and I'm 100% with you, gotta fly around have fun and blow stuff up!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#3 - 2015-05-07 04:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Charlotte Momaki wrote:
hi I am Charlotte,

Hello.

Let's get started.

Charlotte Momaki wrote:
so this is the problem, although there are various guides and that AURA thingy, I still don't understand how the skill training thingy worked, as skills are obviously related to how things work, but how?

The gist of it is...

- each skill allows you to either fit or use certain ships or modules

- the higher the skill is... the more it enhances that ship or module
NOTE: ship skills give blanket enhancement for certain ship classes and racial types... but the bonuses themselves are based on and tied to the individual hulls (you have to check their info)

- certain ships, weapons, and modules utilize certain skills more than other skills... this takes time to understand so don't worry and take your time.

- to get new skills... you buy skills from stations, inject them, and then drag them into your skillque. They will train in real time... whether you are online or not.

For a more in-depth breakdown of the skill system and what it means for you... look at the link in my signature at the bottom of this post.

Charlotte Momaki wrote:
I read about modules, they are supposed to do their things like guns are shooting and plates are tanking, does it mean I can put all the things on and go ahead? I have literally no idea.

Pretty much... however...

- fitting a ship is more of an "mathematical art form."

- you want to focus your ship's fit towards a specific goal or tactic. If you try to fit to do multiple things, you will be operating at less than "optimal" with all of them.

- refer back to skills and ships. Certain ships have bonuses towards using certain weapons and/or modules. Check the ship info boxes to see what each ship will be "optimal" using.

Charlotte Momaki wrote:
and the market. certainly things cost bucks (I think it is isk here?), how do I earn enough bucks to buy the things I needed? and no please don't say mining, I have seen enough of it.

Be creative. Unless it breaks the EULA (End User License Agreement) you can do almost anything to earn money. Most of it is pretty common sense, but if you have questions [about the EULA]... ask on the forums or submit a petition via the help menu.

That said... I have seen people make ISK doing...

- mercenary work: muscle for hire. Not everyone enjoys player vs player combat... some enjoy PvP excessively. And some people are willing to pay pretty pennies to wish harm on others.

- playing the market: buy low, sell high

- hauling: just as boring as mining is... but fraught with a fair bit more danger. Can be combined with "playing the market" if you are enterprising enough

- exploring: find stuff in space... hope for a good run of luck

- leading: can you herd cats effectively? Can you instill people with the urge to do things they may not want to do? You can make money this way by making others work for YOU and skimming off the top.

- missions and traditional PvE type farming: pretty standard fare in an MMO. Self explanatory.

- propagandist: yes... this is a real thing. Organizations of people will pay you to be a mouthpiece... more if you are skilled at using photo or video software.


For other ideas... check out the other link in my signature at the bottom of this post: How did you Veterans start?


edit: one last thing... really try to do the tutorials. They give quite a few rewards that can give a decent start in the beginning.
Yang Aurilen
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#4 - 2015-05-07 05:24:04 UTC
What is he mining with(Retriever/procurer/covetor you know typical mining ship)? If you really want to ensure he's dead maybe use a Talos or Tornado to gank his poor mining ass.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#5 - 2015-05-07 07:00:41 UTC
When in doubt, right-click on things to see what the options are. For example, right-clicking a skill book from tutorials would have given you "inject skill" and "train immediately to 1".

Similarly, right-clicking skills in the training window or book form and going to "info" will give you a summary of what the skill does. The only exception to this are spaceship command skills, where what the skill does varies from boat to boat and is in the _ship_ info.

Moving stuff around (e.g. moving skills in the queue into different orders, or moving items between different containers) is generally drag and drop. It's the easiest way to fit things on a ship, too.

So... right click things, and drag/drop things, and eventually you'll work most things out.
Navy Jackal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-07 07:24:04 UTC
If he mines he does it because he likes it or because he likes ISK. In the first case let him do what he likes, in the second - sell a PLEX and give him ISK. Simple.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-05-07 08:52:40 UTC
this is awesome Cool

no you cant just put anything on any ship (well you can but its not advised) ships have specific bonuses for different things

Amarr Ships use lasers and usually armor tank
gallente use hybrid guns and usually armor tank
minmatar are the best and you should always fly minmatar (uses projectile and shield tank)
caldari uses missiles and also shield tank

these are basic some ships can work with different weapons and different tanks, but never mix different weapons and never use both armor and shield tanking on same ship.

if you skill up say a frigate, once you get that skill to lvl 3 you will unlock destroyers, if you continue to train frigates to lvl 5 you will theoretically unlock tech 2 frigates (alot more powerful than tech 1) with some additional skills.

do you intend to play for long or just to shoot your bf? if you just want to shoot your bf you should aim yourself towards a thrasher which is a winmatar destroyer, commonly used for shooting miners, these will use projectile autocannons.

if you look at ships you like the look of there is a "requirements" tab which will show you what skills are required to fly it

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Charlotte Momaki
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-05-07 09:02:47 UTC
thanks for all the responses so far, obviously I can understand <50% of the things you guys wrote. try harder I guess? ;p

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
you want directions then turn left!

it can't be right then

ShahFluffers wrote:

- each skill allows you to either fit or use certain ships or modules
- the higher the skill is... the more it enhances that ship or module
- certain ships, weapons, and modules utilize certain skills more than other skills... this takes time to understand so don't worry and take your time.

- refer back to skills and ships. Certain ships have bonuses towards using certain weapons and/or modules. Check the ship info boxes to see what each ship will be "optimal" using.

That said... I have seen people make ISK doing...
-snipp-


with that pile of skill lists? wow my head gonna explode for reading it alone

um....... no idea, at all. is it simply mining ship is good at mining and hauler ship is better off holding stuff and fly around?

non make sense to me either except PVE, yeah, that works in any game I guess

Yang Aurilen wrote:
What is he mining with(Retriever/procurer/covetor you know typical mining ship)? If you really want to ensure he's dead maybe use a Talos or Tornado to gank his poor mining ass.

I don't know what ship refers to which name, only recon it looks awful and boring as hell

Lost Greybeard wrote:
So... right click things, and drag/drop things, and eventually you'll work most things out.

will try thanks

Navy Jackal wrote:
If he mines he does it because he likes it or because he likes ISK. In the first case let him do what he likes, in the second - sell a PLEX and give him ISK. Simple.

in that case it makes him a virtual money farmer and I don't like that. why don't someone play farmville if he/she wanna be a farmer anyway?
Charlotte Momaki
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-05-07 09:10:47 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
this is awesome Cool

no you cant just put anything on any ship (well you can but its not advised) ships have specific bonuses for different things

Amarr Ships use lasers and usually armor tank
gallente use hybrid guns and usually armor tank
minmatar are the best and you should always fly minmatar (uses projectile and shield tank)
caldari uses missiles and also shield tank

these are basic some ships can work with different weapons and different tanks, but never mix different weapons and never use both armor and shield tanking on same ship.

if you skill up say a frigate, once you get that skill to lvl 3 you will unlock destroyers, if you continue to train frigates to lvl 5 you will theoretically unlock tech 2 frigates (alot more powerful than tech 1) with some additional skills.

do you intend to play for long or just to shoot your bf? if you just want to shoot your bf you should aim yourself towards a thrasher which is a winmatar destroyer, commonly used for shooting miners, these will use projectile autocannons.

if you look at ships you like the look of there is a "requirements" tab which will show you what skills are required to fly it

it looked like a skill tree is it not?

I don't know the game deep enough for a decision yet, but his dirty ship will be dead for sure. I love his facial expression when feeling pissed. I don't mind him playing a game with enthusiasm but lets face it, it should at least be an interesting and fun game to play, not farmville.
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-05-07 09:29:37 UTC
seems to me a girl is not happy because her bf ignores her for a ****** mining game. well its good enough, lets be honest, you aren't gonna kill his ship alone atm, not even if he is untanked. follow the below list of skills required for a gank catalyst / thrasher, and by the time the skill finishes, you should have enough time to research for a gank fit and give it a go. Expect failures, try it on other poor souls first, when you are comfortable with it go **** on your bf's barge.


Power Grid Management IV
Capacitor Management I
Capacitor Management II
Capacitor Management III
Science IV
Thermodynamics I
Cybernetics I
Hull Upgrades I
CPU Management IV
Long Range Targeting I
Target Management I
Propulsion Jamming I
Gallente Frigate III
Motion Prediction I
Gallente Destroyer I
Minmatar Frigate I
Minmatar Frigate II
Minmatar Frigate III
Minmatar Destroyer I
Motion Prediction II
Motion Prediction III
Small Hybrid Turret IV
Small Hybrid Turret V
Small Blaster Specialization I
Small Blaster Specialization II
Small Blaster Specialization III
Weapon Upgrades I
Weapon Upgrades II
Weapon Upgrades III
Weapon Upgrades IV
Rapid Firing I
Rapid Firing II
Rapid Firing III
Rapid Firing IV
Small Projectile Turret I
Small Projectile Turret II
Small Projectile Turret III
Small Projectile Turret IV
Gunnery III
Gunnery IV
Surgical Strike I
Surgical Strike II
Surgical Strike III
Surgical Strike IV
Sharpshooter I
Sharpshooter II
Sharpshooter III
Trajectory Analysis I
Trajectory Analysis II
Trajectory Analysis III
Minmatar Destroyer II
Minmatar Destroyer III
Minmatar Destroyer IV

RIP Iron Lady

ZAKURELL0 LINDA
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-05-07 09:34:29 UTC
oh please go check your ingame wallet, a sensible lady like you should not worry about space bucks, at all.

the only thing I request hereof is a killmail, evemail to me when justice delivered, tears included.

RIP Iron Lady

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-05-07 09:39:26 UTC
potential pirate in the making yarr Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Kameloso
Starstuff Industrial
#13 - 2015-05-07 09:57:29 UTC
Maybe he's mining only as part of a larger production/marketing playstyle? Then it might not be as boring as you think, OP. Also - to each their own, if he likes economy based gameplay - let him play it that way. Not saying "do not gank him" tho Twisted
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-05-07 10:21:10 UTC
I would find this even more highly amusing if OP's name was her BF's crazy ex-significant other.
Kameloso
Starstuff Industrial
#15 - 2015-05-07 10:50:04 UTC
Amanda Chan wrote:
I would find this even more highly amusing if OP's name was her BF's crazy ex-significant other.


also, obligatory Overly Attached GF meme? Twisted
erg cz
ErgoDron
#16 - 2015-05-07 10:57:38 UTC
Charlotte Momaki wrote:
monitor doing literally NOTHING. he needs to learn a lesson here


So train Stabber (minmatar cruiser), fit oversized microwarp drive (100MN, not usual 10MN) and go bump him from asteroids. At least he will have to move back. Can be fun , actually. Bumping is when you hit his ship with your ship at full speed.
Solecist Project
#17 - 2015-05-07 14:21:37 UTC
I feel like you should read this as well.
You seem to be the type and it might help you come up
with a more sinister plan than simply blowing him up. ;)

Solecist Project wrote:
There's generic game play and social interaction.

Mining.
Missions.
Trading.
Exploring.
Any form of combat, consensual or not.

But there's more. Way more.
The interactive part.

Cruising around, watching local and looking for opportunities.

There's a fight going on. You lock both combatants,
wait for one to die, steal the loot and gtfo asap.

You scan down mission runners and steal their loot,
or try to bait them into a fight in your ship.

You find a ganker at a gate. Wait for him to kill something,
grab the victim's loot and gtfo asap. (got lucky yesterday, made 800mill that way)

You join a corp. If the corp gets wardecced and the CEO is **** and tells you
to stay docked instead of teaching you to fight ... you contact the wardeccer and play snitch.

You join a corp and steal their stuff.

You start talking in local and become a local celebrity with something
that's not the equivalent of buying friends. Giving away stuff makes no friends.

You start a margin trading scam.

You bait people into joining you on a lowsec roam and then kill them.

You offer people a free ship. All they have to do is surround it in their pods.
When they are close enough, you light smartbombs.

You post on the forums a lot and convince all the morons that the person
you portrait is in fact the person behind the screen.

You prostitute yourself for ISK.

You create creative art, like sexy pics of avatars, and offer them as wallpapers.

You go to lowsec, let yourself get killed. You contact your killer, ask what happened,
tell them you're a noob and they will most likely give you money or offer you to join.
Then half a year later you kill one of them in their most expensive ships.

The possibilities are endless.
Generic gameplay is not what the game is about.
In fact, all those who only play the generic crap drop out after a few months.


The socially interactive part is what makes this game.

I'm Sol ... trust me, I know. ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#18 - 2015-05-07 15:43:29 UTC
Charlotte Momaki wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:

- each skill allows you to either fit or use certain ships or modules
- the higher the skill is... the more it enhances that ship or module
- certain ships, weapons, and modules utilize certain skills more than other skills... this takes time to understand so don't worry and take your time.

- refer back to skills and ships. Certain ships have bonuses towards using certain weapons and/or modules. Check the ship info boxes to see what each ship will be "optimal" using.

That said... I have seen people make ISK doing...
-snipp-


with that pile of skill lists? wow my head gonna explode for reading it alone

um....... no idea, at all. is it simply mining ship is good at mining and hauler ship is better off holding stuff and fly around?

non make sense to me either except PVE, yeah, that works in any game I guess

lol
Yeah... basically certain ships are better at certain things than others. Like I said... it takes time to wrap your head around even a fraction of it.
Hell... I have been playing for 6 years now and there are parts of the game even I don't understand (and I'm one of the less ignorant players here).

You are going to make mistakes along the way... cherish those mistakes. They will temper your spirit and mind... which will turn you into something deadly here. Twisted


As for the professions/jobs/ways of making money... look at real life for some parallels. If you can offer something that someone else wants (in the context of the game) then you can earn money doing it.
Alternatively... if another player has something (i.e. money) you want and you have bigger guns than he/she does... take it from that player. By force or threat of it if necessary (yes, this is legal in the game).

And yeeeeaahhh... you have just stepped into the dystopian Wild West of MMOs.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-05-07 16:00:13 UTC
Start a secret campaign of terror on him and his corporation. You have the best intel, just stroll past him while he plays and see what system/belt/anom he is in, go back to your computer, and blow him, or his corp mates up.

You can even distract him while he's in the middle of trying to defend himself. Just yell from the other side of the apartment/house:

"HONEEEEYYYY! I thought I told you to do __________!"

Just remember to alt tab out of EVE when he walks by you and your computer.

Grrr.

Syx Sevyn
SYNDAX CORPORATION
#20 - 2015-05-07 16:25:20 UTC
If your GF does this you better make her your wife.
Might wanna sleep with one eye open after a fight though.
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