Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wouldn't be surprised if that was considered an essential feature of the whole slew of changes.

Yep thats the answer to the problems this proposal brings - get in your own blob.




Not only would this kill small gang and solo pvp - at least that which doesn't just involve ganking pve ships. (which no one that does that sort of pvp can refute) it also completely throws the pve balance out the window.

There is a rough balance between high, low, wh, and null sec right now. This proposal completely throws that off. Thats why you have to admit - we would need to nerf hotdrops or improve rewards in null sec. But what are the proposals for doing that? What you will find is those proposals have problems of their own.

This change is proposed so people can have an easier time ganking pve ships in null and low sec. Yet it screws up so much about the game its ridiculous.

(Yes I know the op claims it is proposed to appease people complaining about afk cloakers, but this solution obviously only makes things worse for that crowd. )

Yeah it would take longer for them to find fights. Thats clear. It would limit their intel when they do engage so its more just chance who wins. Moreover no one who does allot of small scale or solo pvp other than pirates who like to gank industrials have actually argued that this would improve small scale or solo pvp.



Actually the effects would be pretty obvious to those who 1) have half a brain and 2) do allot of pvp in low and null sec.




Then why don't you make that clear in your op?

Anyone with half a brain in null-sec already is. If there are a dozen PvE BS's running about (as per the poster I was quoting) they should already be in a gang to facilitate helping each other in an emergency. Not the cloaky pilots fault if these hypothetical BS pilots are unwilling or incapable of helping a corp/ Alliance-mate out.




How does nerfing Hotdrops kill small-gang PvP?



In-depth discussion of changing rewards and/ or nerfing hotdrops are matters to be discussed in other threads tbh.



It would naturally depend on how any changes were implemented, and what measures where added to give careful pilots on both sides the ability to function well in null sec....the outcome of any potential confrontation having far more to do with player skill than it does at this time.

As for Local in low/ high sec, it has issues. The amount of information it gives is over the top. Nothing with such a profound effect on combat, survival, wars etc. should come for free, that information should be trained for (both character and player training) imho.

I do. That's why I made the proposal, offered what I feel are counter balances and opened it up to discussion to find flaws.

I never promised to agree with all perceived flaws.

Bleh... I should be a little clearer on that... I'm seeing what... 70 likes now for this concept, yet at most two or three people against. As such, it's difficult to accept the idea as inherently flawed when the vast majority favors it. I'm certain tweaks and refinements may be necessary, but not certain a complete abandonment of the idea is justified at this time.

Not when this proposal so clearly throws them out of whack. This proposal buffs hot drop mechanics too much - so it should address how it will be balanced again. It add lots more risk to pveing in null sec - so it should address how it will make up for this. This proposal is causing these problems so its not ok to just say " well they will think of something to correct these problems"



Skill would have nothing to do with it. You would have no way of knowing how many people the other side has cloaked up in system so you would just be rolling the dice.



Local is not over the top. Local gives you the bare minimum you need to help you avoid being blobbed. It tells you how many are in system and if they are in the same corp or alliance. Nerfing it beyond this will just mean you will have more pvp becoming lame blob ganks.

And add any sort of counters to cloaks, and there'll be whines about how it nerfs wormholes, and suddenly the changes are wholly unacceptable. vOv

This is way too much information, at least where war decs are concerned. To repeat one of my greatest annoyances at local (high sec)....Attempting to be a scout for your corp while at war is utterly pointless unless you either drop corp, or create an alt for scouting.
This is crappy mechanics imo. Why the hell should a 1 hour old alt in a reaper be a better scout than a 60mil SP recon pilot who wants to remain in the corp he loves? All because of a little red flag in a chat channel.....you did nothing to earn that information, you need take no precautions beyond watching a chat window in order to remain safe from anything that's not an alt.
Sure it works for CCP, more alts= more cash, but it is still a crappy mechanic.

I am a recon/ cov-ops pilot. I have trained to be sneaky so that I can fulfil the role of a forward scout/ intel gatherer for my corp. It is utterly absurd that I should have to use an alt for this. This is my main, this is the character I have trained for years to use while playing ...**** Alts.

Did you miss the part where I specified war-decs for that example?
I'm talking about how much info local gives you. I'm a scout, I have the patience to actively hunt wartargets if needed. I'll spend time building lists of names/ ships/ ship names (and naming conventions if any). I'll track movement patterns and time zones if required.

Without the flagging system this activity actually becomes a lot harder for me, but I'm still willing to do it in order to gain the advantage in war. I'm not the only one willing to do this if it means I get to use my main as a scout rather than an alt. Those who are unwilling to put in that effort are the ones desperately clinging to their free intel channel.

It's not about "pressing a button" it's about exercising patience and dedication to give you an edge. If my opposite number is willing to do the same it becomes a contest as to who is better at it. Do you really think this is unfair?