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Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#141 - 2011-12-27 10:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Bad Messenger wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!

Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.


But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator.

If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW.

But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring!


When draketrain was in militia it was boring, those 100+ corporations did not bring any fights, if they did, they hugged station with carriers without having any possibility kill anything, or something similar.


On Monday 26th I found it better to hug their missions and they were comming ..... :)

I must say I like this moment of fail .... can we fail even more so I can feell better?
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#142 - 2011-12-27 10:16:40 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what


You know he basically treats his own militia the way he treats the Gallente, and the only reason he's actually treating you with dignity and respect is because he wants a good PvPer in the Caldari militia to make himself feel better?

As soon as you stop being novel and useful he'll start treating you exactly the same way he treats everyone else.


little @sshole licking ... Damar is tough and fair guys ... sometimes he is d1ckstar and rage drama mama but who is not?

He just wants to have things organized up to his vision (as most of us wants) which most of the egos of Caldari cannot suck in and out. Point is he can kill stuff solo or small group (which i think is one of the prerequisite to gain some respect) ....

Well I am more chaos (out of the box, fun) guy so I cannot have him in corp and I cannot be in his corp. But still that crap what I read time to time here is well ..... universe size ********.

we all can complain about our gaming/leading styles ... but why not hug ourselves in scram range and dance without this bullshit ;)



Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2011-12-27 14:33:17 UTC
EVIL SYNNs wrote:

Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya?

Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#144 - 2011-12-27 16:16:39 UTC
I love forums! Best PvP in the gallaxy!

I have always been consistent with my praise. Players like Val, Loren and Damar play eve they want and they play it. Do I wish Damar was a nicer guy who gave hugs for free, SURE! but I love his killboard.

Nice to see an FW thread like the old days... Twisted
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#145 - 2011-12-27 21:30:19 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.


Damars attitude is the least of the militias worries. I think the attitude that people carry when they don't like someone and refuse to work together under any circumstance and would just rather make personal attacks on the forums hurts the militia more than a mild ass chewing if you screw up (usually meaning death for some/the rest of the fleet) in one of damars gangs. Yes he could be nicer when going about letting people know that they're did something ******** and made a mistake, but I think everyone in the militia should be looking to fix their own attitudes first.


Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#146 - 2011-12-27 22:04:47 UTC
It seems that some people have forgotten who they are and what they have done.

Damar never forgets, he is man of principle, he can be complicated sometimes but he is loyal Caldari and that is what matters in the end.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#147 - 2011-12-28 01:47:16 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Draco Rosso wrote:
Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.


Damars attitude is the least of the militias worries. I think the attitude that people carry when they don't like someone and refuse to work together under any circumstance and would just rather make personal attacks on the forums hurts the militia more than a mild ass chewing if you screw up (usually meaning death for some/the rest of the fleet) in one of damars gangs. Yes he could be nicer when going about letting people know that they're did something ******** and made a mistake, but I think everyone in the militia should be looking to fix their own attitudes first.


Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia.


It is people like him. People like Dracco that are the negative poisen infesting Caldari FW. You see Dracco has been around when I first joined FW so by default you would think he would be a senior Caldari leader by now. What these types do in these forums is ten times worse in faction war chats. They sit there doing absoloutly NOTHING positive for their faction but are more than happy to sit there and shoot down anyone else doing anything at all resembling an organized move.

FW chat is full of them. Bittervets. They sit there and badmouth upcomming FC's. Taunt and bad mouth the newer pilots and come and spew the same stuff in the forums if they visit the forums even.

Nothing personal Dracco, but for someone that has been around Caldari FW so long (longer than me even) I find you sitting there bad mouthing Damar as if he is the whole reason Caldari are bad is just weak. Step your game up instead of pointing the finger.

As far as flying with Damar sure I got chewed out by him more than once in a fight where it did not go well. Do I take it personally? No. I do not fly with him or anyone so I will hear reasurring and happy hug time words I fly with them because I want to PvP. That is the issue though with some pilots. If the FC says No your not a special snowflake and we are not taking your Drake in a Armor/Gaurdian gang they get all emotional and leave fleet to end up badmouthing the FC/Corp that told him to hit the road for weeks or months at the time.

P.S. If someone tells you to STFU in fleet grow a pair and take it like a man, you were probably told to STFU because something more important than how you fit your hurricane came up. Something that might actually save the fleet your flying in.

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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#148 - 2011-12-28 06:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Super Chair wrote:
Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia.


Draco Rosso's kills in December: 19
Damar Rocarion's kills in December: 242

And I dont do anything for the militia?

Edit: I don't consider it badmouthing people when they ask "Is this fit good?" and I say: "No, it's horrible because of x (and usually y & z too). Here, have a better fit (either linked or told). Try that one and get more success."

People I do badmouth are the mission ISK whores who blatantly say in militia chat they are here for the missions and anyone who is in it for the pew is doing something wrong (Bl4ckstar and others).
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2011-12-28 06:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
This is a serious question - Im not trolling.

Is there really that much bad-mouthing and ****-talking in Cal-Mil channels?

Its not all roses and reach-arounds in Gal-Mil, but its not an unpleasant place to be. I can say we go days if not weeks between any major outbursts - at least in my timezone.

I certainly dont claim to know what is wrong with caldari (if anything) but from reading this thread, the differences are pretty apparant... We Frogs do kinda controlled chaos. FC (and it can be FC by committe) is usually whoever spotted the sqid first and/or the dude who decides to start talking first. Its often a different person or persons for every engagement. Our 'not a fleet' fleet consists of 6-15 -ish people off doing whatever they want. Someone will spot a squid, and you will have 11 hungry voices of KM whores (myself included) asking where to go and what to bring. They arent told to go, or even asked to go. People just go on their own. Real fleets happen too, but they are far rarer and still have an air of informality about them...

Perhaps it not that Squids need more 'discipline' - perhaps its that they need a bit less.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#150 - 2011-12-28 07:00:10 UTC
Didn't intend to derail this into a 'bash dracco' thread (tbh its not, nobody get butthurt, read mantis's post about manning up again if need be) but the point is a lot of people (myself included) have carried pretty bad attitudes at one point or another. For instance, just today some new guy is like "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow Roll. Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good.
DNLeviathan
Blue Canary
Watch This
#151 - 2011-12-28 11:44:33 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
"o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow Roll. Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good.

IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw.
EVIL SYNNs
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#152 - 2011-12-28 12:01:44 UTC
Why do people even have militia channel open and blink on?

Again its what you want to do with FW, but you just can not be good players while training others to become good players.

The reason alliances don't let just anyone in is because if you are asking in public "how do I fit this" there are millions of choices and opinions and it starts a failcascade in alliance chat. If you want to know how to fit a join a corp and ask them, as they have the power to say "We fit this way!".

If you don't want to join a corp or you WANT to be in the NPC corp then you have passed no API checks, no one has checked your killboard, no one really wants you... So you are likely a spy, FW farming or just not very good.

I know I would likely be in a team of one about this, but when your top 3rd killer of the month is the NPC either the player corps SUCK or there don't want people.

If people have "encouraged" you to join the militia NPC rather than a corp, then that just does not help! CEO's who charge tax? WHY? have a 0% tax rate and build a corp, an army, a BAND OF BROTHERS!

Hopefully once the holidays are over things will heat up, its a bit quiet in game, and I can actually do something rather than hit forums!

and I type too quicly for these silly arse forums!
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#153 - 2011-12-28 12:02:20 UTC
DNLeviathan wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
"o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow Roll. Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good.

IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw.


DNLeviathan wrote:


its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.



Caldari needs someone who is strong leader Blink
Trovarion
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2011-12-28 12:25:46 UTC
don't know if this will contribute anything, but when SP-DR reformed 2 years ago by innitiative of Vim and me and joined FW for targets and glory we were about 3-5 active people with the support of a few old friends who didn't join corp, but shared comms and advice - we took in a lot of new people, partly directly from the ranks of militia channel.

sure it was rough times and slow at first, but our prime directive has always been to provide a guiding hand to new players and we knew it would pay off in the long run. We didn't do this by treating them as special snowflakes, but we didn't yell at them either. sometimes we told them that they have to trust us in bringing this or that ship and they will realise after the engagement as to why, etc. It didn't work out for all who joined us, but most stayed and learned and came to enjoy the game.

anyway...the core group that developed from that ~50 chars, ofc including alts, did well in the days when there were still enough caldari around to have somewhat large engagements and people suddenly flocked to us...

Now I don't consider myself a charismatic leader (that would be Vim), but we managed to build something within the framework of FW and I think it is possible in any of the factions really. just takes a bit of time and pain-resistance. something not all have ofc ;D
Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#155 - 2011-12-28 12:30:13 UTC
Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead?
Trovarion
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2011-12-28 12:30:56 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead?


why not giving (serious...not the joke that it is now...) lp for kills, while we're at it?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#157 - 2011-12-28 12:41:01 UTC
Trovarion wrote:
Chav Queen wrote:
Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead?


why not giving (serious...not the joke that it is now...) lp for kills, while we're at it?


There is simple reason, EVE pvp is way to lose stuff not produce good income.

If you pvp you should lose money (total sum after fight, some people might earn from by looting enemy)

If you need money you have to grind (missions example)

FW missions were boosted for FW players because it is not vice to do normal lvl4 missions in highsec, you can try but Loren may come to help you on those Lol, FW missions are way to fund FW career.

If you make pvp where all will earn no matter if they lost ship or killed one, it will break whole game.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2011-12-28 13:22:58 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.


You're a brave man. Horsemen are pretty much the only decent corporation in CalMil these days, and you're obviously not popular. I feel for you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#159 - 2011-12-28 14:39:06 UTC
Die thread DIE! Why won't it die Timmy WHY WON'T IT DIE!?!?
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#160 - 2011-12-28 16:22:06 UTC
Oh my...

*heads back to the MMO with light sabers and huge boobs

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