Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can see it being done in fringe cases like SKINs, Genos 3/4, but Zydrine?!

The more artificially it is managed and withheld, the larger the swings and volatility will be as a result, upon recommencement of trading - just look at market circuit breakers employed in the world beyond the Eve Gate/World.

Indeed. BAD THOUGHTS. BAD THOUGHTS.

The only time that I, personally in light of my activities and choice of investments, lose money right now, is when I fat-finger a market order update myself. I've sold 3 Abaddons Tash-Murkon Edition for 440k p/u pre-dev blog/patch, and considering how many orders I modify per day, my luck can only go up from here onward.

Until such a time that it happens again.

I wish there was short-selling in EvE, so that I could enhance market PvP even more, and provide content™ for the OP to look at - the increasing ISK balance in my eight wallet accounts. However, following a fundamental change/news in EvE, all trades are very, VERY one-sided. Case-in-point: Zydrine, Mexallon, Megacyte, Pyerite.

Yes, there had been some uncertainty on Nocxium, but anyone who had been paying attention to the new Crokite volumes and compositions could see it being driven down from 650 p/u.

How would you have handled the Zydrine & Megacyte input doubling on most BPOs in EvE announcement?

I'm not quite sure why I'm continuing to post in a thread with "Market speculation" and "Fair" being used in the same sentence in the thread title.

Free drama is drama. Oh, well vOv



The SKINs presentation happened during the Fanfest, there were several Dev blogs on the matter prior to that, if I recall correctly.

I was merely hoping for 300% returns, but it actually came closer to 2000-4500% on some commodities. Bought Edition Frigate BPCs for 8 mil p/u, Cruisers for 20 p/u and Battleships with Dreadnaughts 60 mil and 100 mil respectively.

PLEX at that time was 800m p/u / 3500 AUR = 228k ISK per AUR, but I knew the name of the game so I discounted by 15% and sought out people with lotta AURUM in their pocket. A fair exchange, if I say so myself.

Those NES Store AURUM prices couldn't last, if the the system was planned to be converted to a Permanent one. Sensible investment, no insder trading - Same as with Zyd/Megacyte, which posted all-time record lows in late 2014-YC116.

Some of the youngsters may not remember Megacyte and Zydrine at 5,600 and 3,600 ISK p/u.

I have no sympathy for market speculators getting caught with their pants down or missing an opportunity due to sleep. That is pretty much the only risk you run in Eve - that someone else gets information faster than you and can react faster than you. You know that risk up front and should plan for it. It's not necessary to undock for your profession - so this is the risk.

Don't speculate with what you cannot afford to lose.

Market speculation is by nature a risk but with that being said there is still potential for problems in these things created by CCP and directly linked to time zones and when all of these changes are introduced into the game at downtime and to deny that is dishonest.

I know you are going to say that these changes are usually documented well in advance of the "official" release so one should be prepared. My response would be that markets change minute by minute in the early hours after downtime and those whose primary game time is always immediately after downtime have an unfair advantage that is directly related to time zones and that gives them an opportunity to adjust to the markets in real time as they are changing instead of hours later and in some cases nearly a full day later.

To me there is no doubt that time zones and their relationship to when these changes are actually implemented in the game give some players an unfair advantage. The real question or questions should be how can this be changed, can it be changed to spread out the risks and rewards more evenly across all time zones.

Unless you change how downtime happen, then no. Unless you want to suggest CCP have their staff responsible for downtime procedures to have work shift spanning any part of the day across the years to be able to even out the downtime across all time zone...

That is only one possible method that CCP could and should investigate as a possible solution and there is no technical reason why it cannot be done that way. Several of the online games I play routinely change the timing of major release as a way of balancing things across the time zones and see no reason why CCP cannot or should not do the same thing.

Perhaps there is no practical way to change this and those in the EU time zones will have an unfair advantage forever.

I guess my real point is that because of the time zone they choose to live in or were born into gives one certain advantages or disadvantages and denying that serves no purpose other than to lie to yourself about it.

How many of those games that have alternate time deployment are single shard with a persistant world and a player driven economy?

I'll take this one a step further and say that I would laugh if they tried. The playerbase routinely outsmarts them with the implementation of pretty much every mechanic. That said, taking steps in this direction would, regardless of the success or(much more likely) failure of such a thing, be a bad decision.

Every mechanic that interferes with the game to shield people from their own failure takes away another piece of the sandbox. This would be a big damned piece.

Clearing market orders is a lot of work. It be a SQL script that ideally would be a fair amount of time to make sure it works right in testing before it hit production servers. As it be GM's who get the flood of petitions if for some reason the script killed more than just slated items buy orders.

I have worked with vendors whose applications work off of SQL. Stuff like this is very time consuming, and expensive (as it rarely falls under your annual maintenance agreement terms of service). Last one was cheap at 4000 USD. And went in phases. Phase 1 their script worked pretty damn good. about 95%of what I wanted done covered. It was working with the last 5% problem children (call me jaded, but you always get murphy showing up in any IT project, best you can hope for is limited appearances really) scenario as it were that had a few calls made and rewrites. On my end it was added work restoring DB's to a set state in test sql setup, apply script, do analysis after. Big or small in importance and/or size DB wise.....something goes bad someone's ass is hanging over a fire. A good IT slave like me....makes sure that ass isn't mine lol.

This is probably why CCP saves even text rewrites for more major patching. Its lumped in with more major changes that justify labor costs of that script testing process.


Secondly as one poster asked and was not answered back on.....one put up those buy orders for a reason, did they not. Unless a really bad pilot but rich we can assume they weren't stocking up on this to cover pvp losses. CA's especially.Losing that many one is buying up sets of them in droves to get screwed.....if actually using them for personal use imo they need to slow the hell down and work on the pvp skills that has them eating these up like candy tbh.