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Pretty much a prime example of how you have no idea what you're talking about. You're taking a badly written article claiming ISBoxer = botting and going "yup, I guess that's true". There's a significant difference, not least of which this insane per-character efficiency an actual bot can achieve. As you're always quick to point out, just look at Serenity. If ISBoxer was botting our economy would look like that. What this guy is mad at is the idea of players using multiple accounts to earn ISK. This still happens. Using no tools it's easily possible to run 32 miners and still spend over half of your time waiting for stuff to happen. As I've said from the very very very beginning, the problem isn't that tools exist, it's very simplistic game mechanics which lend themselves to mass multiboxing.

And no, I don;t advocate the use of ISBoxer. Once again proof that you're just here to troll.

This is you misunderstanding what efficiency is, how PLEX works and how many people still multibox at a large scale.

That income and setup is still possible without ISBoxer. There's videos linked in this thread in fact.

Devs contributed code towards it too. As long as it remains a way to switch screen rapidly and nothing more, I doubt we'll see anything happen to it.

And the policies may say that, but FoxFour has authorized it and confirmed it is within the rules. I can't quote the ticket I raised to check this, but let's say I'm happy to continue using it. You can continue crying for eternity over all of these extra characters, just remember this one thing - until you showed up here whining, I had no intention of multiboxing at a large scale, so you only have yourself to blame.

Oh, and the "outflow of real players" has nothing to do with ISBoxer or EVE-O Preview, or multiboxing in general. Quite honestly, I'm not convinced there is an outflow. Whatever way you spin it though, multiboxers pay for their accounts, even if it's through PLEX consumption, so they will always be around in one form or another.

5.6m?

Primarily I make ISK through trading. Multiboxing doesn't come close to that. What is good though is that I can trade and multibox at the same time. Win win.

Isk is being generated now as it ever was. Most of it comes from nullsec AFK ratting which doesn't require ISBoxer.

And unless you are trading wrong I doubt I'll buy Zydrine from you as I don't buy minerals from sell orders as a general rule. I saw your screenshots in the other thread, it really doesn't look like you trade in a high enough volume to cover too much of the market tbh though.

Anyway, this is all now wildly off topic. Good day.

Are you writing a song?

Also why do you keep calling it ISBotter?

But that's not just ISBoxer, that happens without ISBoxer too. The problem is with the incursions.

Not from sell orders I won't, and to be quite honest I rarely buy ships anyway as they don't need replacing if they don't explode. Being a trader, I don't tend to get blown up much. Rarely do I buy anything from sell orders at all though unless it's in SMA space and I need it quick, and even then it's not very common.

Because up until now nobody has made a comment on his hilarious pun.

It's very different. The fact that you believe it's the same makes me question your knowledge and experience in EVE. That you seem to not understand the economy very well makes me question it further.

But even without ISBoxer, even just using the client and not even EVE-O preview, incursions are able to be done by a single individual with alts, with a high rate of efficiency. That's the part you seem to be missing. You seem to be of the impression that without ISBoxer people can't multibox incursions. You're wrong, so ISK will still be being generated in vast quantities by single players.

It's not an ad hominem, it's a simple observation. If you are offended by me questioning your experience, perhaps that's even more of a sign that you aren't quite the expert you claim to be. Reviewing your posting history appears to confirm that.

It is always important to find one's roots, the relevant discussion in the thread, which I shall shortly link, has been a most "fascinating" one, with the thread itself being started on July 23th, 2014 and let run to 15 Pages leading up all the way to the birth of the current one, so here is the link where a few reasonable voices placed their mark in history, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=354128

And the following is also taken from that thread, and will be left for the impartial, and often silent, Jury that is the Public, to pronounce a verdict for themselves on things, which had been discussed upto this point,



And,



As an addendum, here is a decision & concise explanation by GM Lelouch on what can, or can not be done without EULA/ToS violations, which was a precursor to the current situation in a way, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274

CCP, we know, that you got a bit carried away following the huge success waves of those times, but we forgive you. ♥

I Wish Good Fortune to All. o/

Well in my experience most of the incursion boxers either quit or teamed up with others to continue running but with a reduced client count.

As for mining I would bet very few actually used isboxer's repeater function to do so. You could make the repeater work with mining but it was rather clunky.

I could still run an 8 man bomber fleet if I wanted to.