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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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DarkS1ayeR
Stainganistan
DarkSide.
#461 - 2015-05-05 21:48:31 UTC
lost 2 cerb... hitting within 70+ km badly..... all those videos hes not attacking you. 900 hp per git sentinels fly **** fast need DPS on them or you scrambled and died.. i desire next time run T2 heavy missiles within 100+ km. also ashimu within 30 km dis web and neut.
Jori McKie
African Atomic.
Train Wreck.
#462 - 2015-05-06 11:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Burner Ashimmu - Brawling setups
General advise

- All numbers are with an all V EFT char, no imps, no booster.
- You will lose Drones so TII Drones setups aren't cost-efficient. TI Drones work fine on the Gila and are cost and time efficient.

Burner Ashimmu - Gila
- As usual NPC AI is weird there is no guarantee that the AI behaviour will last. Be warned if the AI changes you might lose this Gila setup because tank isn't sustainable. Again this setup works only because Drones will be targeted and DPS taken away from your Gila.
- Gila TII Drones will be targeted most of the time after your Drones aggroed, in contrast TI Drones most of the times will be only targeted by the Sentinels but not always by the Ashimmu. So use TI Drones with this setup.
- After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first.
- You don't have to avoid the NOS/Neut on the Ashimmu as your Omnidirectional Tracking Link II only need 0.1 cap, you can always switch it back on.
- Put at least 2x medium TII Drones in your Drone Bay in case you have to gtfo.

Time to kill avrg. 3:06
DPS
477 with Vespa I + 229 (with reloads 157) Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile vs Sentinel
477 with Vespa I + 280 (with reloads 192) Caldari Scourge Fury Light Missile vs Ashimmu
Tank
63.5k EHP with 13844 shield hitpoints vs 72:28 EM:The
261 DPS passive recharge at peak
Speed 244m/s
Quote:
[Gila, Burner Ashimmu pimped]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Vespa I x8
Vespa II x2




Burner Ashimmu - Ishtar
- The tank calculation is tricky because Ashimmu and Sentinel have a different DPS Profile. This are minimum numbers and work only if you kill the Sentinels first and fast.
X-Large ASB + 52k EHP vs 72:28 EM:The (EFT Profile) with a large shield buffer
X-Large ASB + 48k EHP vs 38:14:26:21 EM:The:Exp:Kin (EFT Profile) with a large shield buffer
- You need X-Large ASB and minimum 52k EHP with a large shield buffer vs 72:28 EM:The (EFT Profile), if you don't have 52k EHP with your skills the setups do not work as you won't survive the ASB reload.
- Make sure your shield is as close to 100% as possible when you used your last ASB charge so you will survive the reload. Always OH your ASB
- Always kill the Sentinels first use Hobgoblin II.
- Use Wasp II vs the Ashimmu
- Try to orbit the Ashimmu as good as possible

Time to kill ~5:05min
DPS
248 with Hobgoblin II vs Sentinel
744 with Wasp II vs Ashimmu
Tank
54.4k EHP with 8313 shield hitpoints vs 72:28 EM:The
1395 with OH on the ASB
Speed 231m/s
Quote:
[Ishtar, Burner Ashimmu]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
'Deuce' Co-Processor I

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Wasp II x5
Wasp II x5
Wasp II x1

Time to kill ~min (not tested yet)
DPS
262 with Hobgoblin II + 36 Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S vs Sentinel
787 with Wasp II + 87 Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S vs Ashimmu
Tank
58.2k EHP with 8313 shield hitpoints vs 72:28 EM:The
1519 with OH on the ASB
Speed 231m/s
Quote:
[Ishtar, Burner Ashimmu pimped]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Caldari Navy Co-Processor

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Large Shield Extender II

250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S


Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Wasp II x5
Wasp II x5
Wasp II x1

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#463 - 2015-05-06 12:12:52 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:

Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila
- Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.

I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Jori McKie
African Atomic.
Train Wreck.
#464 - 2015-05-06 12:20:13 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:

Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila
- Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.

I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners?


Sounds good try it, i have no idea how the Drone AI is triggered. It might be that only after your Drones did damage, Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them, it might not.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#465 - 2015-05-06 14:49:24 UTC
How much dps is the Ashimmu putting out? Possible to fit up a passive tank Nighthawk for this?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2015-05-06 15:00:07 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:

Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila
- Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.

I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners?


Sounds good try it, i have no idea how the Drone AI is triggered. It might be that only after your Drones did damage, Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them, it might not.

You wrote '... target them 100% all the time". I take it like: immediately after you deploy drones you lose aggro from burners and drones take damage. Sorry if it is not the case

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Jori McKie
African Atomic.
Train Wreck.
#467 - 2015-05-06 15:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Estella Osoka wrote:
How much dps is the Ashimmu putting out? Possible to fit up a passive tank Nighthawk for this?

Nighthawk = Commmand Ship aren't allowed in there. With Command Ships allowed those Burner missions would be a joke. HICs are allowed but their DPS is low and it will take considerable more time to finish the mission.
Ashimmu DPS alone is around ~380 at range.



March rabbit wrote:

You wrote '... target them 100% all the time". I take it like: immediately after you deploy drones you lose aggro from burners and drones take damage. Sorry if it is not the case

I'm not 100% sure, again AI thing but from what i got Drones have to aggro before they got shot. I will clear that up in the original post.

However just try your idea on the testserver (Burner missions are still given out) and see how it works out.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#468 - 2015-05-06 21:03:41 UTC
Just lost my Comet (fit from recommended with little pimped modules to make it safer) to Burner Worm in system with active Incursion. Couldn't not break his tank and my tank was not enough to sustain incoming DPS. Created ticket with question if burners are affected by Incursion or not.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Kathleen Yotosala
Perkone
Caldari State
#469 - 2015-05-07 07:13:15 UTC
Have run 2x Team burner in Incursion and was unaffected bar the reduced bounty which comes up after the payment
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#470 - 2015-05-07 23:52:06 UTC
Just gave the Ashimmu another shot with the Cerberus on sisi:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5728593#post5728593

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.

jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#471 - 2015-05-08 11:48:13 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:

Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Brawling setups
...
- You will lose Drones so TII Drones setups aren't cost-efficient. TI Drones work fine on the Gila and are cost and time efficient.
...
- Gila TII Drones will be targeted 100% all the time after your Drones aggroed, in contrast TI Drones most of the times will be only targeted by the Sentinels but not always by the Ashimmu. So use TI Drones with this setup.
- After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first.
...


Not always true. Sometimes T2 drones do not get agro from Ashimmu at all.
Ashimmu Burner Base - Gila T2
Anyway even if Ashimmu targets drones it is easy to return the targeted drone to drone bay and use the one that was not damaged yet. Repair costs about 500K.

Used the following setup multiple times. More than enough tank

[Gila, Ashimmu T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Vespa II
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile


or your can use pimp setup, but really do not necessary

[Gila, Ashimmu Pimp]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Vespa II
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Jori McKie
African Atomic.
Train Wreck.
#472 - 2015-05-08 12:08:52 UTC
@jackudza
The NPC AI vs Drones is erratic and the Time to kill difference between TI and TII Drones is marginal. TII Drones disadvantage is you have to babysit to avoid them getting killed. That cost you micromanagment and time due to recalling them.
After all it is just easier, time and cost efficient to lose a T1 Drone and launch a new one.

I will add your fits to my list anyway.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#473 - 2015-05-08 12:41:26 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
@jackudza
The NPC AI vs Drones is erratic and the Time to kill difference between TI and TII Drones is marginal. TII Drones disadvantage is you have to babysit to avoid them getting killed. That cost you micromanagment and time due to recalling them.
After all it is just easier, time and cost efficient to lose a T1 Drone and launch a new one.

I will add your fits to my list anyway.


I agree. I just wanted to notice that it is not 100% Ashimmu NPC try to kill T2 drones. From my experience it is about 65%-75%. In case it agros drones it takes no more than 1 additional minute to kill him. Gotta try T1 drones.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#474 - 2015-05-08 13:02:44 UTC

Why you killed sentinels first? Is it really needed? As it looked in video you have killed Ashimmu faster than 2 sentinels. ?

jackudza wrote:

Used the following setup multiple times. More than enough tank

In video it looked like you were very close to 25% of shield so in my book it is not 'more than enough tank'

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Jori McKie
African Atomic.
Train Wreck.
#475 - 2015-05-08 13:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
March rabbit wrote:

Why you killed sentinels first? Is it really needed? As it looked in video you have killed Ashimmu faster than 2 sentinels. ?

Your tank is anti Ashimmu EM+The and the Sentinels shot Exp+Kin, so getting rid of the Sentinels is reducing the incoming DPS a lot. It should be close to be on par killing 2x Sentinels vs 1x Ashimmu.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#476 - 2015-05-08 13:21:04 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

Why you killed sentinels first? Is it really needed? As it looked in video you have killed Ashimmu faster than 2 sentinels. ?

Your tank is anti Ashimmu EM+The and the Sentinels shot Exp+Kin, so getting rid of the Sentinels is reducing the incoming DPS a lot. It should be close to be on par killing 2x Sentinels vs 1x Ashimmu.

oh. thanks

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#477 - 2015-05-08 17:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: jackudza
March rabbit wrote:

In video it looked like you were very close to 25% of shield so in my book it is not 'more than enough tank'


Disagree. It is more than enough to kill Ashimmu ship 3+ times in a row.
take a look
14 minutes of real time (x4 video speed)



Jori McKie wrote:

...
- The setup has some bling, it is just for convenience and faster finishing the mission. A full T2 setup works too but with way less margin of error.


Nice setup by the way. Works without any problems even with T2 fit (just slight resist overheat or more careful piloting).
Capacitor management though is a little annoying so I prefer fit without cap booster:
Talos Anomic Base - Deimos T2 6:30 min

[Deimos, Talos Burner capstable]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Valkyrie II x5
Mantas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#478 - 2015-05-10 13:01:17 UTC
Can you do only burner missions without normal ones(declining them)?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#479 - 2015-05-10 14:04:30 UTC
Mantas Amatin wrote:
Can you do only burner missions without normal ones(declining them)?

You can decline any mission but you get standing loss for declining regular missions.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Mantas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2015-05-10 17:43:46 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Mantas Amatin wrote:
Can you do only burner missions without normal ones(declining them)?

You can decline any mission but you get standing loss for declining regular missions.


Can you keep doing only burner ones or you have to do some normal ones too to keep ur standings up?