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Theory: The Drifters

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Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#41 - 2015-05-04 15:18:18 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
3. That would fit your Master as well as any of us.

The implication of this statement goes further than you think. Evidence is there. The path is longer than you think. Broader than one incident in time.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2015-05-05 00:43:53 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
3. That would fit your Master as well as any of us.

The implication of this statement goes further than you think. Evidence is there. The path is longer than you think. Broader than one incident in time.

Well, you're virtually talking in archetypes, so I'd sort of hope so.

(Yes, I'm resisting your point. It seems unnecessarily mystical.)
Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#43 - 2015-05-05 01:49:31 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
(Yes, I'm resisting your point. It seems unnecessarily mystical.)

There is nothing mystical about it.

I am limited in my ability to speak on this topic until I receive permission.

I cannot speak of Talocan connection to recent events.
I cannot speak of Nation connection to recent events.
I cannot speak of my recent re-evaluation of Seyllin incident following appearance of Caroline's Star.
I cannot speak of my analysis of historical events as illuminated by recent information.

What's mine is my creativity, my appreciation of patterns. Seeing wondrous connections like an intricate mosaic. Beauty in it's subtle waves of interaction.

I hope you understand and forgive my limits. Clarity does not come without a price, and some must pay more than others.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-05-05 03:13:27 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
(Yes, I'm resisting your point. It seems unnecessarily mystical.)

There is nothing mystical about it.

Respectfully, the idea that a pattern repeats itself enough to remain coherent through many periods of time has a quality of mysticism to it. It's also, at minimum, misleading, because history only repeats variations on a theme.

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I am limited in my ability to speak on this topic until I receive permission.

I cannot speak of Talocan connection to recent events.
I cannot speak of Nation connection to recent events.
I cannot speak of my recent re-evaluation of Seyllin incident following appearance of Caroline's Star.
I cannot speak of my analysis of historical events as illuminated by recent information.

What's mine is my creativity, my appreciation of patterns. Seeing wondrous connections like an intricate mosaic. Beauty in it's subtle waves of interaction.

I hope you understand and forgive my limits. Clarity does not come without a price, and some must pay more than others.

Permission is probably never going to come, because you serve better as a distraction.

While I forgive your limits, I cannot take your maze at face value. You are slaved to a deadly enemy to all sapient life. And while I can grieve for you ... it would be stupid to trust you.

Others may wish to puzzle through your hints. I don't have much appetite for it ... and I can't shake the feeling that you could be trying to keep me from seeing something.

Even if I liked riddles, I'm not sure I'd like yours very much.

If I am ever so fortunate as to find your Master, I'll do my damnedest (my own strictures permitting) to set him on fire. Forcing you to speak or silencing you ... either is cause enough.
Arkon Sarain
Kor-Azor Roving Tribunal
#45 - 2015-05-05 03:15:54 UTC
Ms. Jenneth,

An interesting observation and theory, as usual I find your discourse most stimulating and interesting. Thank you for sharing it publicly.

As to the matter of this Sansha abomination, Deceiver's Echo, I am reminded of a quip from an old writer - for the life of me I cannot recall his name or from whence he came, however he was delightfully brilliant and witty. It went something like this, "On the business of being profound, thinkers are not unlike wells. A person with good eyes can see to the bottom of the deepest, provided any water is in it; and often when there is nothing in it besides dryness and dirt, and it is barely a few feet deep, it shall pass regardless for being wondrously deep - because of no wiser reason than it is wondrously dark."

Or to put it more plainly: Sophistry, the illusion of meaning or depth where there is only shallowness and pointless drivel twisted and trussed up with eloquence.

But yes Ms. Jenneth I think I will ponder more upon your considered thoughts however.

In faith,

The Honourable Dr. Arkon Sarain
Chief Judge
Kor-Azor Roving Tribunal

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin."

The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Arkon's Adagia

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2015-05-05 03:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Arkon Sarain wrote:
Sophistry, the illusion of meaning or depth where there is only shallowness and pointless drivel twisted and trussed up with eloquence.

It ... seems we arrived at a similar conclusion, Your Honor. I can see things like this, sort of. A layer pierced reveals no light; only dangling threads and another layer of cobwebs. But ... I suppose I second-guess myself too much to just shake them off easily.

Thank you. Your confirmation means a lot.
Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#47 - 2015-05-05 04:02:23 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Others may wish to puzzle through your hints. I don't have much appetite for it ... and I can't shake the feeling that you could be trying to keep me from seeing something.

As you wish. I will leave you to your investigation. My apologies for interfering.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#48 - 2015-05-05 13:08:23 UTC
Arkon Sarain wrote:
Or to put it more plainly: Sophistry, the illusion of meaning or depth where there is only shallowness and pointless drivel twisted and trussed up with eloquence.


Careful there, sir. Start getting riled up about people using eloquence to hide their respective lacks of understanding, and you'll soon have hanged the better part of the forum.

Everyone uses a different set of tools to project some measure of power into their words, else they lack impact and go unheard. Mysticism is a breed as any other, and one that's at least twice as polite as veiled threats, and four times as entertaining as snarky jabs, of which this platform overflows like a clogged lavatory - See, I just made another one. I wouldn't be quite so quick to condemn it. In my experience, if someone is smart enough to make genuinely pretty words, there's a good chance they also have something decent to stick behind them.

Besides, I happen to like riddles.

Deceiver's Echo wrote:
The implication of this statement goes further than you think. Evidence is there. The path is longer than you think. Broader than one incident in time.


I have to say, it almost sounds as though you're putting down your master, there.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2015-05-05 13:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Besides, I happen to like riddles.

You're really, truly welcome to them, Ms. Ikiryo. It seems like reality's difficult enough to puzzle through without people with suspicious motives piling on more puzzles.

Please do say if you find something useful, though. She's right that I could be overlooking a lot of important things.

Being able to hold up her own theory and give it a good look would let us evaluate it a lot better. As it is ... Dr. Sarain's seems to be right about the probabilities. We have no way of knowing whether the labyrinth even has a solution, and she's asking us to expend a lot of time and effort just to figure out what her theory is.

Just because someone is clever doesn't mean they'll use it well. That's something I might know a little bit about.
Arkon Sarain
Kor-Azor Roving Tribunal
#50 - 2015-05-05 13:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkon Sarain
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Arkon Sarain wrote:
Or to put it more plainly: Sophistry, the illusion of meaning or depth where there is only shallowness and pointless drivel twisted and trussed up with eloquence.


Careful there, sir. Start getting riled up about people using eloquence to hide their respective lacks of understanding, and you'll soon have hanged the better part of the forum.

Everyone uses a different set of tools to project some measure of power into their words, else they lack impact and go unheard. Mysticism is a breed as any other, and one that's at least twice as polite as veiled threats, and four times as entertaining as snarky jabs, of which this platform overflows like a clogged lavatory - See, I just made another one. I wouldn't be quite so quick to condemn it. In my experience, if someone is smart enough to make genuinely pretty words, there's a good chance they also have something decent to stick behind them.

Besides, I happen to like riddles.


Ms. Gwen Ikiryo,

Then you have had a considerably different experience to my own, more often than not those whom it pleases to be eloquent have nothing more to their ideas or thoughts, and so seek to hide this hollowness in a beautiful phrase.

As to the subject of eloquence as being an indicator of wisdom I must respectfully, and absolutely disagree: eloquence can be employed for good or ill, used by a good man or a bad one with equal aplomb, not unlike any skill. So I agree that eloquence can be of use to give words or ideas "impact" (as you put it) however it does not in and of itself indicate anything more than a proficiency in the skill.

However if you enjoy this particular conversation with the... lady then by all means do not allow me to dissuade you.

In faith,

The Honourable Dr. Arkon Sarain
Chief Judge
Kor-Azor Roving Tribunal

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin."

The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Arkon's Adagia

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#51 - 2015-05-05 13:58:55 UTC
Its a conspiracy of Talocans to remain hidden.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#52 - 2015-05-05 14:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Being able to hold up her own theory and give it a good look would let us evaluate it a lot better. As it is ... Dr. Sarain's seems to be right about the probabilities. We have no way of knowing whether the labyrinth even has a solution, and she's asking us to expend a lot of time and effort just to figure out what her theory is.


Well, perhaps I simply have an excess of energy for foolish pursuits, but I don't really see the harm in humouring her. At worst, it'll be a waste of a little time. At best - Though, it is always a remote best - She might know something we don't. All I'm really hoping for is a unique perspective, though, and considering what she is, she likely has that.

Aria Jenneth wrote:
Just because someone is clever doesn't mean they'll use it well. That's something I might know a little bit about.


In my experience, one can often learn more from listening to someone who is wrong for interesting reasons than listening to someone who is right.

I would think that is something you can understand, as well.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2015-05-06 00:33:38 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
All I'm really hoping for is a unique perspective, though, and considering what she is, she likely has that.

I guess I've sort of written the Nation off as a valid perspective without noticing I was doing so. Hm. Maybe being too wary of someone to risk direct exposure to them easily leads to closing other avenues as well.

Is that bad? ... I guess I'll have to think about it.

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In my experience, one can often learn more from listening to someone who is wrong for interesting reasons than listening to someone who is right.

I would think that is something you can understand, as well.

Well ... maybe so.

I mostly don't think of my work in terms of right and wrong, or even correct and incorrect, though. I just sort of ... try to understand the why of things.

Mostly. I guess there's a lot of variation there, too.

... anyhow ... good luck, Ms. Ikiryo. I hope she'll still be willing to talk. If something other than cobwebs does come of it, I would really like to hear about it.
Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#54 - 2015-05-06 01:54:16 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I hope she'll still be willing to talk.

I am more than willing to discuss what I can. I await response from Ikiryo, Gwen.

No further attempts at communication will be made in regards to Jenneth, Aria.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#55 - 2015-05-06 06:57:38 UTC
Talocans think we are cancer. They will not let us pass the veil.
It's a matter of principles. Their principles.
We are better off killing ourselves like we used to, again and again. The best Eden we could have made for ourselves.
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