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Best Profession for Solo PvE Player

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#21 - 2015-05-05 14:04:20 UTC
pirate yes, Pirate, do i want to bait noobs into coming to lowsec so i can do piratey things to them? no, im telling it how it is that low and null is not bad if you excercise a bit of caution and the rewards are much better. im countering your "anti-lowsec afk highsec gameplay" advice with encouragement to explore different parts of space, i mean exploring is exploring right and the isk is given to you for taking the extra risk, and its quite fun

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#22 - 2015-05-05 14:53:25 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
fun

"fun" - yes, ISK - no. Newbee will lose much more learning how to survive in low sec and rage quit cause he "prefer P v E playing". So - first things first, I believe. Eve is full of wonders for newbee even in high sec. Make yourself self sufficient. So you can fly ships you can afford yourself to lose.

PvP when you are ready for it and when you do want it, not when some local pirate wants it. That is also fun, IMHO.
Solecist Project
#23 - 2015-05-05 15:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
How can someone lose things when he learns and has fun?
You make no sense.

Your isk centric way of thinking only applies to greedy people.

If he dies in lowsec and is smart enough to contact people about his mistakes ...
... then most likely people will throw money at him anyway.

That's common procedure!

Reading through your previous post makes you sound exactly
like those people we need to warn new players about.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#24 - 2015-05-05 15:04:42 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
fun

"fun" - yes, ISK - no. Newbee will lose much more learning how to survive in low sec and rage quit cause he "prefer P v E playing". So - first things first, I believe. Eve is full of wonders for newbee even in high sec. Make yourself self sufficient. So you can fly ships you can afford yourself to lose.

PvP when you are ready for it and when you do want it, not when some local pirate wants it. That is also fun, IMHO.


hmmm this is just you painting low security space like some forbidden hell where nobody should ever go, thats the issue. not every gate you jump through has pirates, infact you have just as much chance dying while your "afk mining" as you do traveling through null at the keyboard. pirates can be avoided very easily if you exercise a little bit of common sense and caution, non of which you gain from afk mining


Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Solecist Project
#25 - 2015-05-05 15:10:40 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
erg cz wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
fun

"fun" - yes, ISK - no. Newbee will lose much more learning how to survive in low sec and rage quit cause he "prefer P v E playing". So - first things first, I believe. Eve is full of wonders for newbee even in high sec. Make yourself self sufficient. So you can fly ships you can afford yourself to lose.

PvP when you are ready for it and when you do want it, not when some local pirate wants it. That is also fun, IMHO.


hmmm this is just you painting low security space like some forbidden hell where nobody should ever go, thats the issue. not every gate you jump through has pirates, infact you have just as much chance dying while your "afk mining" as you do traveling through null at the keyboard. pirates can be avoided very easily if you exercise a little bit of common sense and caution, non of which you gain from afk mining



And one is never ready for combat until he starts doing it. Anyone who has an ounce of
understanding of it knows that one does not wait until he's "ready",
because that time never comes until he starts doing it!

Busted!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2015-05-05 15:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Who are Tribal Core and do I need to declare war on them?

Edit: universally the person least ready is the person who has spent all of his time leveling his raven alone in highsec under the false notion that doing so will somehow get him ready for his glorious first excursion to lowsec. Of course most of the time pvp finds that guy before he goes looking for it and the outcome is pretty predictable.
Rammel Kas
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-05-05 15:18:48 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Who are Tribal Core and do I need to declare war on them?

Edit: universally the person least ready is the person who has spent all of his time leveling his raven alone in highsec under the false notion that doing so will somehow get him ready for his glorious first excursion to lowsec. Of course most of the time pvp finds that guy before he goes looking for it and the outcome is pretty predictable.


Looks like Fac War to me? Why not just find them in space?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#28 - 2015-05-05 15:26:52 UTC
5.0 sec status badposter telling newbies now terrible lowsec is?

I don't think I'll find that guy in lowsec. Though honestly I'm not sure how realistic the idea of me going to minmatar space is. That place is like the ghetto and it's also far.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#29 - 2015-05-05 17:46:29 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
5.0 sec status badposter telling newbies now terrible lowsec is?

I don't think I'll find that guy in lowsec. Though honestly I'm not sure how realistic the idea of me going to minmatar space is. That place is like the ghetto and it's also far.


Its ok it looks like he hangs around my pirate den yarr Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#30 - 2015-05-05 18:41:40 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

And one is never ready for combat until he starts doing it. Anyone who has an ounce of
understanding of it knows that one does not wait until he's "ready",
because that time never comes until he starts doing it!

Busted!

Sounds like kids. Doesn't matter how ready you are you aren't really ready Shocked

CoolCool

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Syrilian
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-05-05 21:25:38 UTC
Exploration made me some decent isk solo.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-05-05 22:00:18 UTC
Solo PVE? Exploration.
Learn your craft in hisec, then start going to lowsec, then 0.0 space and wormholes.
Yes, you will lose ships, for sure...however, hold any ship you ever fly in eve loosely and learn from losses. Just figure you will lose that ship anytime you undock from a station, and if you enjoy yourself, whether you lose that ship or not, you win! "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is a primary rule in eve for a reason. Let's look at it from a strictly financial view; if you lose your exploration frigate worth a total of 600,000 isk, but make 3 million with it before you lose it...well...you're ahead, aren't you?
You might find you like the life of a nomadic explorer in lowsec or nullsec (0.0 space) (bring a cloak :) ). Try new things. Mix things up a little. use jumpclones (get from estel arador corp services if they are still around), use your D-scan (directional scanner) A few security missions, some trading (Very viable to do with literally any sized ship. Use evecentral.com to find trades doable with any ship - just do yourself a favor and don't waste your time getting involved in .01-isk price wars), maybe some planetary interaction "farm tending"...maybe even try PVP (who knows? Maybe you'd like it in eve...not really my thing personally, but be open to different things, right?)
Solo mining is very boring, group mining is only ok because of talking to the others and, in my opinion, the only reason to do distribution missions is to build up standings toward access to level 4 security missions.
Playing solo doesn't mean you never talk to other players (if you want). You have the choice of many channels you can open at the same time in your chat tabs. Also, I've heard good things about the corporation Signal Cartel which evidently is geared towards explorers.

Above all do what you enjoy. :) o/
Talyn Vyvorant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-05-05 22:07:01 UTC
Thanks for all the helpful replies! (except the snarky one one that says Ill be quitting in a month--I just purchased a six month sub to see how immersed I can get into the Eve universe).
See you all out there!
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2015-05-05 23:13:17 UTC
That wasn't snarky, it was a pretty accurate representation of how playing EVE works out.

Typically player retention for people who play by themselves is really poor compared to people playing as part of the group. And PVE content is notoriously bad.

People who try and play EVE as a solo PVE game generally have a disappointing experience and quit pretty rapidly. EVE is not well designed to accommodate that kind of playstyle.
Rowdy Gates
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-05-06 00:12:23 UTC
imho you can solo play this game, play it quite extensively and well, do most all, and have as much fun as anyone.

This game shares much with real life, including no one knows how to really "play solo", who does not have a bit of the "lone wolf" mentality in their soul. There is a good chance anyone seeking to enjoy a game like EO mainly solo has that. Players who have that may see avenues as they learn and experience more of the game, that those who prefer social play simply do not notice or perceive.

I expect the comments about most who play solo are true. But it is silly to believe there are not a significant number of very knowledgeable, experienced and skilled solo players players here. Most such solo players do not want to attract any special attention to themselves. Meanwhile they weave their webs and grow their empire, invisible though it may seem to all who do not see more than one tentacle.

Multiple accounts are extremely useful, as is use of the maximum characters per account. This is one area where having a little real world money to use for having fun early on in your tenure in EO can be leveraged to your future in game benefit. There are a number of ways to use characters, and they only need the skills for what they are used for.

You can be doing PI, mining, hauling, invention, manufacturing, ratting, exploration, station trading, solo pvp, missioning, even group pvp, and more. You could be set up to mine ore, reprocess it to minerals, haul it to your manufacturer to use it to build items your scientist researches and copies, haul it to your station trader to sell, use it to equip your fleet(s), and to replace your loses, and each day see your characters only get better at doing what they already know a little about, and train for more things still new to you.

If you are a new player, go slow as to exercising your several characters' options, read and ask and listen a lot. Better to preserve your player use options until you have enough knowledge and experience to exercise them wisely. You are virtually certain to screw it up if you do not.

Just imo, but there is a lot to be said for planning. It is never too soon, and never too late, to interject planning.

But there are of course those who do great by boldly striking out and aiming high.

Long story short - - -> The only limits to your fun here, whoever you are and however you enjoy playing, are those you imagine, or let someone else put on you.



Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#36 - 2015-05-06 00:26:13 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
That wasn't snarky, it was a pretty accurate representation of how playing EVE works out.

Typically player retention for people who play by themselves is really poor compared to people playing as part of the group. And PVE content is notoriously bad.

People who try and play EVE as a solo PVE game generally have a disappointing experience and quit pretty rapidly. EVE is not well designed to accommodate that kind of playstyle.

Are you saying, "Join a group or quit now"?

CCP has said that people who join groups play Eve longer on average. That doesn't mean that everyone who plays the game solo hates the game and quits after a month. If it did, I wouldn't be here after a year and a half, there wouldn't be such a high percentage of players in high sec, and you wouldn't find players living solo in a WH.

Encourage people to join a group - sure, but it isn't helpful to make a judgement about what someone else might enjoy in the sandbox. Everyone who flys in space, or even sits in a station trading, makes the game more interesting and helps CCP keep the servers running.


OP: kudo's on your 6 month sub & welcome to Eve.



Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#37 - 2015-05-06 01:12:41 UTC
OP - Just a note on PVP.


EVERY interaction in EVE is a form of PVP (even if not all of it involves players shooting each other's starships). If you run a mission, loot three of the module "Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I" and post them on the market, you are engaging in PVP against everyone else that owns that module. That's low stakes PVP that comes out of PVE.

Higher stakes is when you run COSMOS missions and loot "Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink" and try to sell it - you can see the stakes involved in market PVP over that implant at https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=25868 .


So expect that even if you don't actively seek starship combat PVP, you will be involved in PVP.


I recommend you try a wide variety of activities. I started running missions with an eye on doing incursions, then realised that I could put all that I had learned from PVE to use hunting down and killing people who were running missions. Later game mechanic changes made that less effective, so I started ganking, then wardeccing. Now, I mostly take a back seat and provide logistical assistance to other people who gank miners.

Along the way I tried wormhole life, lowsec PVE, mining and a few other things.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#38 - 2015-05-06 01:23:02 UTC
Nobody can say how much fun you will or won't have playing an mmo alone without interacting with others. But they can make educated guesses based on prior experience. Mine says even doing pve is better with someone to chat too

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#39 - 2015-05-06 02:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaeranos
I too am a fairly new, solo PvE player.

Some of the things I recommend/suggest most are:

  • Don't be afraid to take risks. As a solo. player, it's sometimes easy to fall into the trap of forgoing tasty opportunity to protect your bubble of safety (because the rest of the world is out to get you Lol).
  • There's no need to specialize into one "profession" right away, especially if you're doing PvE. There's a ton to do, and a lot of non-combat things (industrialism, mining, trading, etc.) involve a wait-time. You can do all of them simultaneously; in fact, I'd encourage it. I'd be really bored if I could only mine, or only trade.
  • Keep in mind the importance of maintaining your ISK. Don't obsess over it (unless that's what you're into), but most of the people who're constantly talking about fun have enough ISK to sustain their version of it. If you have fun letting wormhole rats blow your unarmed ship up—that's good, but make sure to have some kind of semi-sustainable income.
  • Keep your skill-queue sub Level 5 unless you really need it for something. It takes somewhere around 5 - 10 days to train a skill to Level 5. In that time, you can train 10 other skills to Level 3 or 4. It's also much easier to spread out this way (some people highly recommend specialization. I'm not one of them. Cool)
  • Research the **** out of everything. When I'm waiting for something to finish, I use the in-game browser to read up on one of the great many EVE related questions I have. A lot of my time is spent researching and planning.
  • Most important: Explore every avenue. If you're interested in doing something, give it a try.
Trigg Savo
Nova Express
#40 - 2015-05-07 00:13:12 UTC
Best advice I can give to a new player:

EVE presents endless possibilities...an overwhelming amount of them. You will never get the most out of this game as a solo player IMHO, simply because there is so much to learn about and do. Don't pigeonhole yourself into a singular profession or path. In other words, don't say "I'm a PvE player". Running missions is fun for about a week, and that's if you're a sadist.

In order to get the most out of your time, perform due diligence and find a good, large corp. One that diversifies. One that has veteran leadership and people willing to share and teach. E-Uni is a good fit for some, but some of the major alliances have great newbie corps also.

Try all the things. Blow up ships and get blown up. Scam someone. Steal from a container. Buy low and sell high. Do it all, because you can.
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