EVE General Discussion

Eve-o?

The only thing the serenity server is proof of is that ISBoxer is not even remotely botting. If it were, our economy would look much like theirs. As it stands though, our economy is moving in the same way it did before this announcement, which tells me that ISBoxers had little to no impact on the economy. Prove otherwise.

As for manual multiboxers getting banned, would you say CCP is infallible? If not, then we agree.

There was never a danger of this. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to post it, but ISBoxer was being used for years and at no point did the economy get out of control. I think you overestimate the tiny blip of activity that ISBoxers add.

I'm not sure what relevance there is in this. So you're saying that before this announcement they had more players online? 0.032% of Sunday's PCU was me btw.

Proof? Of any of this claim?

Broker fee needs to be at least doubled still.

Again, proof? Correlation does not imply causation.

Lol? How is that proof? Where in there does it state that limits of sinks have been reached, or that sinks were being used to manage anything to do with ISBoxer. You're basically posting links to economic talks, both of which state that the economy is relatively stable and making up bogus claims which you can't possible know are true.

For the thousandth time, botters were completely unaffected by this change. What they were doing was always against the EULA, so they won;t be affected by a EULA change. And there have been numerous changes which may have affected the population, and there have also been days above 40k since the changes came in. You've simply cherry picked 2 stats and claimed those are only affected by this change. There certainly hasn't been an 18% drop in PCU on average.

That is always going to be the case. The economy will always be kept in line by CCP. It has nothing to do with ISBoxer and it certainly doesn't prove your claim that " the limit has been reached". That's what you stated.

Other than the dip around crhistmas/new year, it's been relatively stable. It's only started really dipping since march. And again, you're just guessing that ISBoxer is the cause. It could be any number of things. Not to mention that every year the PCU drops before summer. Last year it was a significantly bigger drop.

But that's not the average. That's you taking the highest point you can find before the change and the lowest you can find after. It's cherry-picked data. It's pretty safe to say you are trolling as you can't honestly believe what you are spouting.

You may think so, I strongly disagree. I think there's basically zero chance that ISBoxer which was used for several years suddenly stopped CCP being able to balance the economy. It's also a pretty strong sign because the economy didn't actually change following the ISBoxer ban.



Lol, it's cherry-picked data. It says whatever you want it to say. You've just grabbed a high bit and a low bit and acted like that's the normal for then and now. In neither case is that true. On top of which you've ignored all other possible factors and assumed ISBoxer made that difference. In your mind, ISBoxer an dropped the PCU 18%, and unsurprisingly you don't go into detail as to why half of that change happened following march, since March peaks at 42,885. Look at it realistically and the minor drop this year is far less than last year. It's just normal PCU fluctuation.

quite honestly, I'm done talking amateur statistics with you. You want to present real proof, go right ahead. Until then your opinion is irrelevant. You have no knowledge of ISBoxer or any special knowledge of what CCP did or why, and you have an incredible bias blinding you all the way. What i really don;t get is what's got you so butthurt. Is it PLEX prices, is that why you're all mad? Those are going to go up, they always do. Get used to it.

ISBoxer replaces effort. It doesn't improve efficiency outside of the guys with like 100 accounts on the go, of which I only know of 2 existing, and the amount they spent on hardware is simply ludicrous. truly, if you were to use ISBoxer you'd understand how much still has to be done manually, meaning that using something like EVE-O Preview (which has been sanctioned by CCP) makes very little difference.

Even if it were to improve efficiency, the impact on the economy would still be negligible, as the number of ISBoxer users is so few. The vast majority of the flux in the economy is caused by traders and large mechanics changes. The introduction of the Bowhead, Thera, the null mineral rebalance and the sov changes are all good examples of economy impacting changes, some short term, others long standing. People tend to like to blame everything on ISBoxer to rationalise their hatred, but it simply doesn't hold any water. I'm not even claiming ISBoxer should be allowed, if it were up to me, large-scale multiboxing would be much harder though gameplay changes anyway, but that doesn't mean I won't call out nonsense when I see it.

LOL...that is hilarious.

Lucas, "Those are cherry picked his and los!"

GankYou, "They are averages."

Reminds me of a time in graduate school....

Prof., "But, how do you know its positive?"

Me, "Uhhh...its a variance."

Prov., "Oh yeah!"

Indeed. For someone who doesn't use it, he sure advocates it a lot.

The article I linked earlier is a good summation,

http://evenews24.com/2014/09/24/kirith-kodachi-isboxer-is-botting/


You have to admit, playing at 1100% efficiency, getting those sweet, sweet megaticks per hour is lucrative, while playing for free all the while with complete disregard to the Universe at large, and retaining 80% of the income, after PLEX, in sweet, sweet liquid ISK.

A year on from now, people, and indeed CCP themselves, will remark on how the **** it was even allowed in the first place.