Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pretty much, spiced with players who would like to compare capitals to T2 cruisers in power level and think they should be on par with one another outside of siege/triage because balance?

4 t2 repper Guardian rep less than a single meta 0 capital rep, so a single capital repper will outrep a dedicated ship, bring 2 along with Battleship dps and cruiser tracking. Basicly a carrier is to storng at to many things at the same time (no refitting needed)

Destroyer > Cruiser > Battleship > Capital means that destroyers beat cruisers, cruisers beat battleship and battleship beat capital. This goes against carriers beeing able to use normal drones or even tracking mods for fighters :P

That's the thing, they are far from an "omni" ship if you catch one solo or even in a small group. Can they kill undersized ships? Yes, they were designed to do just that if properly fit. However their firepower on the scale of other capitals is garbage - as intended! You are comparing apples to oranges when you look at a carrier vs an Ishtar or carrier vs Guardian.

You are failing to grasp the concept of the tiered system within EVE. Each step up reduces your ability to apply your damage to those below you, but increases your ship's combat efficiency via increased utility, firepower, and buffer.

Imagine if you will a fleet of Guardians/Scimi/Basi/Oneiros spider tanking and fitting purely drone damage and tank. A small gang of cruisers and frigates would never kill them, yet they would destroy the opposing fleet despite having much lower firepower than a normal damage oriented hull. To take them out you would need more firepower/ecm to bring them down. Due to their low buffer, there is a critical number you can reach in which they will be volleyed off field.

Now step that up to capital level hulls. You will find that it would take far fewer dreads to crack that nut. Let alone bringing a handful of supers or titans to the party and laugh as they melt with or without triage. As you can imagine that carrier fleet is just as helpless as the cruiser fleet was when greater firepower is brought to bear. This idea that a fleet of subcaps should be able easily break a spider tanked carrier fleet is a joke. You want them dead? Escalate! Otherwise you're just going to have a stalemate like Darkness had with a few Pizza fleets a while back. They would show up, take a few pop shots at us, and warp off again before our carriers could even get a lock.

Yet here we are, where so many of you have never flow in a capital fleet yet feel you can judge its balance from your perspective of a sub cap pilot and EFT warrior.




I never once disagreed that a carrier should have to refit to kill off subcaps if they want to use fighters. However, sentries have their own set of weaknesses, their tracking - try going in for a close orbit just out of smartbomb and web range and see how well they can apply any damage to you. See a ball of warriors? Warp away! At the same time, unless you properly escalate the fight with other caps or overwhelming force I also don't think you should be able to take them out either, even if it's just a few carriers and not a massive fleet.



I'll pretend like you didn't say that for the ignorance is too strong. Siege gives resist bonuses -Triage does not. And by nuking resistances I assume you mean their basic T1 resist profile or the Archon or Chimera's 4% per lvl resist bonuses.




So I'll repeat. Please go fly the damned ship and get experience before you comment about how to balance it.