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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2011-12-22 13:56:33 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
I question that you were given a fair and well balanced education growing up.


I question whether she was given an education growing up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#82 - 2011-12-22 13:56:53 UTC
I think Diana Kim should start up a competitive Caldari-influenced version of what Muck Raker does. Everything is a Gallente plot.

...Shocking!
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#83 - 2011-12-22 14:02:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
I question that you were given a fair and well balanced education growing up.


I question whether she was given an education growing up.


Oh I don't question it, I just presume it was very much State approved and full of propaganda and bias, especially in history and social affairs classes. I met people when I was at UoC who'd had the same education from a Gallentian point of view, you'd think every Caldari was a Heth clone with the stuff they were brought up to believe.

Ignorance is sadly something that affects all four Empires, it doesn't help in any way towards the goal of a peaceful resolution.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#84 - 2011-12-22 14:23:40 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Your poor attempt to label everything as "Gallente" and claiming such things are horrific, without explaining either what is apparently Gallentian about it, or why it's so evil is quite worrying. I question that you were given a fair and well balanced education growing up.


Commoners tend to start personal attacks when they run out of arguments, showing weakness of their minds.
Considering your attitude and inability to put a question, I guess you seek not answers or explanations, but rather an uranium pellet put right in between of your eyes.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#85 - 2011-12-22 14:29:50 UTC
Diana, do you have anything you actually want to say, or are you here just to spit bile like usual? If you do, please get on with it. If you don't, maybe your efforts could be better placed in trying to defend the State you so publicly adore?

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#86 - 2011-12-22 14:34:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Your poor attempt to label everything as "Gallente" and claiming such things are horrific, without explaining either what is apparently Gallentian about it, or why it's so evil is quite worrying. I question that you were given a fair and well balanced education growing up.


Commoners tend to start personal attacks when they run out of arguments, showing weakness of their minds.
Considering your attitude and inability to put a question, I guess you seek not answers or explanations, but rather an uranium pellet put right in between of your eyes.


People also lead to threats of violence when they run out of answers too, shows the weakness of their beliefs.

The comment of your education growing up wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation from experience with people of various cultures who have been educated into thinking a certain way about another ethnicity. Their education has been inaccurate or straight out false, the way you blame "the Gallente" multiple times, lead me to the conclusion you were educated in such a system.

If you really need the above statement rephrasing as a question though. Why do you blame Captain Underking's choice to defect on the Gallente, and what makes it so horrific?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#87 - 2011-12-22 17:14:55 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I think Diana Kim should start up a competitive Caldari-influenced version of what Muck Raker does. Everything is a Gallente plot.

...Shocking!


It would seem that it would be of poorer quality, though.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-12-22 17:31:57 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

People also lead to threats of violence when they run out of answers too, shows the weakness of their beliefs.

The comment of your education growing up wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation from experience with people of various cultures who have been educated into thinking a certain way about another ethnicity. Their education has been inaccurate or straight out false, the way you blame "the Gallente" multiple times, lead me to the conclusion you were educated in such a system.

If you really need the above statement rephrasing as a question though. Why do you blame Captain Underking's choice to defect on the Gallente, and what makes it so horrific?


1. I don't know why did you raise a question about threats of violence. I have no reasons to threat you since I don't need anything from you. Moreover, violence is my job, and I prefer to do it instead of threatening with it P

2. The comment of my education was indeed a personal attack. We have been discussing a topic, while you have changed conversation to discuss your opponent instead. This is unacceptable for serous conversations.

3. Considering the education and ethnicity: no one was born equal. Each person has its own perks, strengths and weaknesses. So does each ethnicity. The reason lies withing genes - small parts of your chromosomes, parts of cell nuclei, consisting of DNA and proteins. These genes are unique for each human, creating a huge diversity of personalities. You receive them from your parents, who got them from ancestors. I recommend you referring to biology textbooks for further reading, however do not take Gallentean textbooks. Im afraid the federation censorship might cut paragraphs describing diversity in populations, because it's part of their wrong ideology, that peoples are equal.

4. Im really happy now, that you actually asked a question, and I will answer it. And I am really glad that it is lies within current discussion.
First, why do I blame Gallenteans. Well, this is simple, and the answer lies in gallentean ideals, all these democracies, people rights, self-righteousness. They are ready to kill hundreds to save dozens, and don't kill dozens to save hundreds because of their moral principles. Maybe none of particular gallenteans is involved in this matter, but their ideology sure is. I blame this ideology that gallenteans spread through their speeches, holoreels and other media. To rebel against own state and go to war to stop a crazy drug that is used against poor tribals, isn't it an ideal hero for gallentean holoreel?

Second, why it is horrific.
This is horrific because a fine pilot has fallen to this.
This Vitoc is a problem indeed, but it can, and, eventually, will be dealt with internally, by the Amarr Empire itself. But at this moment the Empire has much greater problems, and one of them is the war against the Federation and the Republic.
And the pilot defects her state, corporation and friends to go war on them with a hope to deal with this Vitoc.
This won't help to solve this problem anyhow, it will only worsen the situation.
Just think about it: to kill many of former friends, to cause more trouble and destruction for the Empire because of this problem. It will only exhaust more resources of the Empire and will cause more problems to solve, drawing attention away from Vitoc.
I find all this very tragic.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2011-12-22 17:32:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Commoners tend to start personal attacks when they run out of arguments, showing weakness of their minds.


You wrote that statement ironically, right? Please tell me there was at least some parody inherent in that statement. Caellach made a valid point; namely, that you accuse anything you dislike of being Gallente-influenced (and further making the implicit (and baseless) assertion that Gallente influence is universally negative) without actually providing the any serious evidence to back that accusation up. You responded with - get this - a personal attack, without addressing his assertion.

Did you run out of arguments?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#90 - 2011-12-27 12:29:19 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I think Diana Kim should start up a competitive Caldari-influenced version of what Muck Raker does. Everything is a Gallente plot.

...Shocking!


It would seem that it would be of poorer quality, though.

I don't know who this Muck Raker is, but I will agree it will be poorer.
Because not everything is a Gallente plot.
But only BAD THINGS are.
Lol

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.