Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I really like most of the changes here, giving reason to fit T2 MWD:s and compact modules bringing alternative to expensive digital/analog storyline prop mods. Those might open some really good new fitting options in fitting oversized prop mods. I know there are some concern over buffing faction and deadspace mwd:s to give more speed, but I would believe in practice change might not be that bad.

I did however notice one little thing on new stats

Mizuro's Modified 500MN Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 11; Powergrid 1350 (-150); CPU 67 (-7); Activation 270; Cap Penalty -7 (+1); Signature Bonus 440 (-4)%; Velocity Bonus 514 (+14)%; Overload Bonus 60 (+10)%]

Current TQ stats give mizuros mwd activation of 255 GJ, is this change intended to make it consume more per cycle?

I would keep at least one module at meta 3/4. Simple reason: increase chances of invention.

Also: 10% increase in activation cost between T1 and T2 for 1% speed increase and terrible fitting penalties: not worth it. Please reconsider the fitting consts and the activation/speed bonus ratios.

no pls no

eeeek!!

Actually I was thinking more in the line of making 1mn ab's more suiting for frigates and 10mn for cruisers and so on. Some of the things I don't consider right away escape me sometimes. Sorry for that.

I thought that sig-tanking was more of a True Sansha trait, so the Succubus, Phantasm and the Nightmare can do it to some extent.
I wasn't looking to make Asteros go 4km/s with an 10mn ab. I had my True Sanaha ships in mind with the 'right size' afterburner.

Let's hope we can make do without module restrictions, the outcry....


CCP while we are at module tiericide, can you consider making some small armor plates and shield extenders viable again?

When you introduced 'weapon grouping' the smaller armor plates and shield extenders kinda went extinct over night to account for the inceased damage that ships have to soak up at once.

(Read with grandpa Simpson voice) Back in the day our turrets and launchers were operation like this, gun1 - tick, gun2 - tick and so on and now it's 2-8x gun -> splat - tick.

Any chance you could explain to us the reasoning behind buffing T2 mods speed instead of nerfing the tier beneath it?

Things have already gotten really fast in EVE first after the T1 cruiser buff and more recently with propulsion mode on T3D's.

The reason people currently often fit named MWD's is because they have no meaningful penalty compared to T2. I know developers don't like 'nerfing' stuff but I think it would genuinely be better to nerf the lower ends instead of buffing the higher ends in this case to create meaningful choice.

Even more speed seems like a bad idea for the overall health of PvP gameplay atm. Brawling was pretty dead already in anything bigger then frigates in the small gang meta, it really doesn't need another kick in the proverbial nuts.

The thing is that the meta is already bad. All these high speed hulls do is to limit choice. People have been choosing hulls that ignore the little problem of projection and application against 4kms cruisers. And while Fozzie and Rise may think it's awesome that many of the best small gang ships are kiting RLML and drone ships, I think I can vouch for some people that it just gets mind numbing using these one-dimensional ships over and over because they are the best option right now

Please reduce MWD velocity bonus. Even 400% would still be plenty fast. Then you add links and overheating -_-

AB's are still relatively too slow, bordering on uselessness except for niche stuff like gate hugging or FW plex button fighting.

Or even more niche, dual prop.

Hmm, an A-type mwd is now 3.35% faster than any mwd with these stats if my maths is right. I'm not sure whether to be concerned or not, ships are already very fast but that's not a big number.

RIP explaining to people that the 1MN/10MN/100MN correspond to the ship mass at which the drive performs at specification. I don't see 5/50/500 as a simplification at all.

On flavour names in general, I wonder if you've considered what this means for chat, ship scanners (which badly need usability enhancements but that's another topic) and cargo scanners? Longer names run off the window or get wrapped in chat very frequently.

However I absolutely love the three different meta mwds, especially the addition of compact, and that there's a compelling reason to fit T2. Maybe just have all meta 5+ MWDs give 510% base speed boost? The cap penalty is already a strong reason to fit higher meta, it's not like these modules aren't in demand now.

1MN Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters.

10MN Y-T8 Monopropellant Thrusters.

100MN Quad LiF Booster Rockets.

10MN Monopropellant Hydrazine Boosters.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=708244#post708244

:negative: Challenge Failed. Was fun trying though. I liked me some Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters.

On-topic: Nice to see T2 will actually be worth using. Many thanks.

Hrm, Can I see you friends math?

With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting -

• 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
• 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded

Good question! They are added to the loot table.