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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Thorondir 42
Krittapong
#441 - 2015-04-30 19:03:35 UTC
It seems they reworked the AI of the Team Burner Jaguar: A kiting worm is no longer an option as it will switch happily onto your drones (i did it twice today, both times the same behaviour) - something it did never the 20 or so times i did it before.

Anyone noticed any other AI updates for any burner?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#442 - 2015-05-01 02:02:26 UTC
drone aggro has always felt funny in the team burner missions. I feel like some days they don't touch drones, and other days they go for them first. I tried a kiting worm a while back, and don't use it anymore as it was just way too inconstant.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#443 - 2015-05-01 23:43:43 UTC
Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#444 - 2015-05-02 00:02:42 UTC
hmm such hidden changes are blaming ccp.
RadioControlled
Joint Empire Squad
#445 - 2015-05-02 07:02:41 UTC
Daredevil appears to have been "more kity" for a few weeks, at least in my experience. Faction webs or heat help a lot, getting lucky on the initial tackle (i.e. lock and web @ 2 - 3 km distance in stead of 5 km) helps more - but that appears to be more luck - based.

Even if the DD reaches that distance, dual webs and the resistance profile of a decently fit Enyo should still make it the easiest burner to take down on rails (and 1 drone) alone, imho.
Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
#446 - 2015-05-02 12:26:52 UTC

Jorie, thanks for keeping this thread up to date.

This is how I'd been killing the Prophecy (now Ashimmu) on SISI. I haven't faced him live yet.


[Gila, Gila - AshiMOOMOO Kill]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Hammerhead II x10
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile


I haven't timed it, but I'd ballpark it in the 3-4 minute range.

Strategy works like this:
Arrive in pocket, activate AB and set yourself to orbit the Ashi at ~55km. Lock the Sentinels and put drones and HMLs on them. They will die quickly. Target the Ashi and repeat. You are not fast enough to outrun him, but with AB running you'll buy some time. He will kill drones so be mindful and keep dumping them out to feed the beast and continue dps.

This fit breaks a few rules. It's a passive tank, and the regen rate WILL NOT (read again: WILL NOT) survive full aggro from the Ashi for a sustained amount of time. You're trusting that his lust for drones will soak some of the damage. In testing, he would kill 3-4 drones per run.

NOTE: As I post this, I realize that I didn't re-check inbound damage type. I may have the wrong rig listed. I went in assuming he was doing EM and Therm but don't know that to be true. The fit worked repeatably on SISI, but like most things could be made better.

I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).

Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
#447 - 2015-05-02 12:39:46 UTC

Two more things:
1) My general Mosaic Launch post is here: http://evedogsbreath.blogspot.com/2015/04/anomic-base.html

It includes the full text of both of the new missions and links to my sisi battle reports, such as they are.

2) This is my Deimos fit. It is going to be slower (less dps) than the fit that Jorie linked, but the dual repper maybe offers some insurance. Since I am personally very bad at cap injection, it also uses Cap Rechargers instead of the painters. If you don't have all skills at V or want a more conservative starting point, this might be a fit to consider.

[Deimos, Abavus Durden's Talos Hunter]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MWD II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Ion Blaster II
Heavy Ion Blaster II
Heavy Ion Blaster II
Heavy Ion Blaster II
Heavy Ion Blaster II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Navy Cap Booster 400

Strategy is basically the same as Jorie posted. Put the dual reppers out of phase (start one, then wait, then start the 2nd).

Get in, get moving, and pick a target. Spiral in carefully (I use the orbit buttons once we are close enough, right click to get different orbit ranges). With the MWD speed to mitigate damage, I basically hit approach when I get under 50km and come straight at him, but watch for wrecking shots and adjust. I also tend to shoot at the FAR RIGHT Talos first - just to get as far as possible from the FAR LEFT one. So my kill order is RIGHT, CENTER, LEFT.

The EC-300s are in the hull because early on I was toying with them to help mitigate damage, but honestly they are no longer required.

I had run this many times on sisi with an AB instead of MWD. Under AB it is a 15 minute fight (vs. ~5-7) and you have to be MUCH more careful about keeping transversal up and spiraling into the target carefully. But cap is MUCH less of an issue.

Take as many Cap Booster 400s as you can. With this fit, I manually turn the injector on or off depending how I am doing.

Lastly, same note as before - I haven't rechecked the desired resist profile lately. This fit worked as of the Monday before Mosaic launch, but might need tweaked if anyone has the damage profile.
Thorondir 42
Krittapong
#448 - 2015-05-02 14:08:26 UTC
Abavus Durden wrote:


I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).



DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#449 - 2015-05-02 14:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Abavus Durden wrote:


I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).



DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.


Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Thorondir 42
Krittapong
#450 - 2015-05-02 15:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorondir 42
Jori McKie wrote:
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Abavus Durden wrote:


I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).



DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.


Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?


Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler.

They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs
Kathleen Yotosala
Perkone
Caldari State
#451 - 2015-05-03 12:59:49 UTC
Ran the team burner - Jaguar with the kiting Garmur in an Incursion area

No affect on the team burner

Lost 50% of the bounty to Incursion affects

Did not notice any changes to Jaguar - still the fastest burner re range - set orbit 35 and it fluctuates 30-45
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#452 - 2015-05-03 14:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Update for taloses:
- location is deadspace so no warps around.
- Warp-in point is right inside bunch of turrets but they don't shoot.
- Bounty is 7mil per burner

Looted faction stuff for about 180 million ISK

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#453 - 2015-05-03 19:59:38 UTC
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Abavus Durden wrote:


I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).



DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.


Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?


Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler.

They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs


Can anyone confirm this?
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#454 - 2015-05-03 21:59:32 UTC
yes i can confirm it. just lost a cerb this way. smashing hits right from the start. thought when i get some distance the dmg will decrease but to no avail. was about 70km away when he killed me. well back to eft and think of something else...
Londo M
Centauri Prime Mining and Trading
#455 - 2015-05-04 19:27:29 UTC
I used Abavus's Gila fit (thanks!) on live and killed the Ashimmu burner. No exact time as I ran out of drones and after I knocked out the Sentinels I had to warp out to get some more drones. Needless to say it was very aggressive on drones. It seems like the Ash was attacking them as soon as they were launched. It was expensive to beat as I had upgraded the drones to the Federation Navy Hammerheads in hopes they would last longer. I never lost more than 25% of my shields though as he went straight for the drones as soon as they were out. In total I lost 11 drones. Next time will use Hammerhead IIs on the Sentinels and save a couple of Federation Navy ones for the Ash and try to manage them a little better.
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#456 - 2015-05-05 13:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aghira
Estella Osoka wrote:
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Thorondir 42 wrote:
Abavus Durden wrote:


I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).



DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.


Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?


Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler.

They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs


Can anyone confirm this?


Sisi is running a version very close to tranquility, so i tried the cerberus on sisi today:
(The agent on sisi still only offer the two burner missions)

[ 2015.05.05 13:17:10 ] (notify) You cannot do that while warping.
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:13 ] (notify) Please wait...
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:19 ] (combat) 640 from Burner Ashimmu - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:22 ] (combat) 857 from Burner Ashimmu - Penetrates
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:25 ] (combat) 657 from Burner Ashimmu - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:27 ] (combat) 66 from Burner Sentinel - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:28 ] (combat) 465 from Burner Ashimmu - Grazes
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:29 ] (combat) 118 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:30 ] (combat) 488 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:31 ] (combat) 50 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:31 ] (combat) 485 from Burner Ashimmu - Penetrates
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:32 ] (combat) 589 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:33 ] (combat) 50 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:34 ] (combat) 592 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:35 ] (combat) 78 from Burner Sentinel - Hits
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:35 ] (combat) 77 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes
[ 2015.05.05 13:17:37 ] (combat) 388 from Burner Sentinel - Wrecks


Needless to say that the cerb didn't last long..

Edit: Tried a Battlecruiser with MJD
Warped in, immediatly turned around an activated my MJD. Got three 1200ish hits from the Ashimmu before my MJD fired.

That is the damage from the Ashimmu 140km away:

[ 2015.05.05 15:08:33 ] (combat) 395 from Burner Ashimmu - Glances Off
[ 2015.05.05 15:08:36 ] (combat) 1755 from Burner Ashimmu - Wrecks
[ 2015.05.05 15:08:39 ] (combat) 403 from Burner Ashimmu - Glances Off
[ 2015.05.05 15:08:43 ] (combat) 431 from Burner Ashimmu - Glances Off

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#457 - 2015-05-05 14:01:26 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner.


didn't the daredevil always try to orbit at 11km?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#458 - 2015-05-05 14:06:05 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner.


didn't the daredevil always try to orbit at 11km?

As far as i know it does. But previously Enyo with 2x Webs was able to keep Devil in tange. Which was not the case last time.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Kathleen Yotosala
Perkone
Caldari State
#459 - 2015-05-05 16:41:16 UTC
Slow and steady on Singularity

[Onyx, Slow and steady)

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Reactor Control Unit II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

time 9min
Warp in and take down Sentinals 1st and 2nd using Caldari Scourge light
Set orbit to 25 km but consistantlt remaied in 15 km range to Ashimmu - speed of 100 m/s mitigates some damage
Boost early from 15 % shield damage - used 12 Navy Cap Booster 800 in total ending up at 50% shield
Shield gets to 15% remaining before 2nd sentinal is killed
After that boost as req and to level of damage acceptance , allowing for the odd wrecking shot
Swop to Scourge Fury for the Ashimmu

and wait 1 min for cap to regen to be able to warp anywhere :)

no overheat used on missiles or XL ASB

Hams perform poorly . HML lack the ability to take down the Ashimmu , ending in stalemate where you die a loooong slow death

Skills mostly 5 \4

Pakokkie
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#460 - 2015-05-05 21:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pakokkie
Mission: Anomic Base, kill 3 Talos, avoid turrets.

5 May 2015
Finished the Anomic Base mission. Used the Deimos and did not use faction mods, only t2 and the t2 rigs. Used some extra time to maneuvre and armor never got below 60%. Never received aggro from the turrets, they look scary. Once you are at close range the Talos dies fairly quick. Loot drop was total crap.

U only need normal cap boosters 800, and I only used 2 in total.

But what realy made it easy was the booster alt with Federation Navy Mindlink and running all t2 warfare links and 1 t2 Rapid deployment link.

Picture of the mission finished

The LP reward is out of balance compared to the burner missions.

Setup picture