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Seekers invading Amarr!

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#81 - 2015-05-01 16:51:53 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
1 Apollo, 3 Artemis spotted at Bhizheba Gate in Amarr.

Take note that Bhizheba has an Amarr Navy Station within.


There are Amarr Navy stations all over the place. There are Amarr Navy Stations not in Amarr space.
CHrONiC CAiN
Wrath of Angels
#82 - 2015-05-01 17:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CHrONiC CAiN
Erica Dusette wrote:

As far back as I can remember people have said "Don't you worry about the sleepers?" and my response to that is essentially the same when asked about the Drifters - I'll worry when they're sieging my control tower.

Until then, business as usual here in sunny Anoikis.



My sentiments exactly.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#83 - 2015-05-01 17:41:25 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
1 Apollo, 3 Artemis spotted at Bhizheba Gate in Amarr.

Take note that Bhizheba has an Amarr Navy Station within.


There are Amarr Navy stations all over the place. There are Amarr Navy Stations not in Amarr space.


I was simply making a statement in case it was relevant information in the future.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-05-01 20:53:41 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

I sent my sister tonight to Empire space where she, alongside a friend, engaged not one but two Drifters solo in an experiment that lasted a few hours. It took her three Cerberus class HACs to perfect the technique, but she eventually managed to get a Drifter into 30% armor solo before getting greedy and losing capacitor. At which point she allowed Artemis to get too close.

Had she bounced out and back with fresh cap instead of getting greedy then she'd have killed him all by herself. Before I allow her to go wasting a fifth ship in another attempt I think that's a good result and she, and I, should get some rest.

So, now I'm not longer a spectator, I will reiterate my personal opinions on the Autopsy matter. Happy?

By the way, when was the last time you had a Drifter almost into structure solo Ms Dellacorte?


Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, or perhaps I'm simply too ignorant to understand...

What good, exactly, does it do to have a measuring contest about this? How, exactly, does being able to "solo" a Drifter accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things? Particularly when those pilots apparently capable of doing so are more interested in using that capability as boasting leverage than actually using that knowledge and ability to aid the rest of the cluster?

Further, how does someone's ability or inability to "bring a Drifter near structure 'solo'" lend any credence at all to their viewpoints or make them, in any way, more or less valid than anyone else's in matters that aren't directly related to combating them?

You were called out for being a self-righteous, egotistical prat that was discrediting the work of others simply because you, and apparently your family, have had a different experience with the Drifters than many others have had; and then for refusing to lend anything of any significant value to the effort other than to mock the efforts of others while trumpeting your own.

Whether or not someone has "brought a Drifter to near structure 'solo'" has absolutely no relevance to the truth of the situation.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#85 - 2015-05-01 22:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, or perhaps I'm simply too ignorant to understand...

I'm leaning toward option two, sir.

Liam Antolliere wrote:
What good, exactly, does it do to have a measuring contest about this? How, exactly, does being able to "solo" a Drifter accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things? Particularly when those pilots apparently capable of doing so are more interested in using that capability as boasting leverage than actually using that knowledge and ability to aid the rest of the cluster?

It demonstrates that while everyone is running around forming up thirty-man fleets, fear-mongering, bickering like children in IGS, chasing Seeker sightings like a Roc Weiler fan docking in Hek, or busy cutting up alleged Drifter corpses to count how many toes they have or what they ate for lunch, there is a very real pool of pilots and research already done out there that almost everyone is ignoring. Pilots who're out there killing these things with relative ease, and have been doing so for quite some time without credit.

At least one of these pilots has been named numerous times, even by myself, across IGS and really nobody seemed interested. But ... little old me comes in and giggles at the autopsy and everything is suddenly oh-so-serious. Okay, well I'll have my sister take our resident Drifter expert and a few ships and we'll go demonstrate how it's really not all that big of a deal.

I've requested my sister come along shortly and detail her experience in a couple of posts here, to pass on our own findings to aid anyone who takes this whole thing seriously. She found it quite fun and is looking forward to telling the tale I believe.

Liam Antolliere wrote:
Further, how does someone's ability or inability to "bring a Drifter near structure 'solo'" lend any credence at all to their viewpoints or make them, in any way, more or less valid than anyone else's in matters that aren't directly related to combating them?

Why are others allowed to shoot from the lip but I'm not?

Isn't that what everyone comes to IGS for?

But really, I've responded to your comment already and you kinda keep repeating it anyway.

Liam Antolliere wrote:
You were called out for being a self-righteous, egotistical prat that was discrediting the work of others simply because you, and apparently your family, have had a different experience with the Drifters than many others have had; and then for refusing to lend anything of any significant value to the effort other than to mock the efforts of others while trumpeting your own.

Whether or not someone has "brought a Drifter to near structure 'solo'" has absolutely no relevance to the truth of the situation.

But I am self-righteous and somewhat egotistical, and yes I was discrediting their work.

I'm also emotionally insecure, impulsive, often aggressive and as of twelve months ago diagnosed psychotic too.

So? There's no "calling out" when nothing's being hidden. Like I care what you, or anyone in Empire thinks of me?

Wake up, sir.

Being able to take down a Drifter with one or two pilots is very relevant.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Dani Dusette
Division 13
#86 - 2015-05-01 22:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Dusette
Erica Dusette wrote:
My sister reported she had a rather enjoyable night too and is proud of herself for how far she got.

Yeah I did, and I didn't mind the losses. I learned so much and had a lot of fun.

Don't you think it's interesting though nobody even asked how I did it?

Well hi, I'm Dani, and I'll tell you how I nearly killed a Drifter all by myself and how you can too!

First up though it wasn't really by myself. I had our friend, Ferni Ka'Nviiou, with me to coach and give guidance. Ferni is pretty much the best Drifter hunter in New Eden as far as I know, and nobody knows more about how to deal with them in space than her. Ever since the first appeared, Ferni has been out there spending countless hours and immeasurable ISK testing theories and killing Drifters by the score, even in Frigates. Yes, really, and even in a Venture.

All by herself!

Despite having little interest in these events in Empire and stuff, my family has followed Ferni's story since she started her quest to learn about Drifters with much interest, because she's a friend. Earlier today my younger sister Kellie was speaking to Ferni who expressed a desire to try out a theory against Drifters using Cerberus class heavy assault cruisers. Unfortunately Ferni was a few days from being able to fly one, so my family volunteered both two pilots and enough ISK to purchase several Cerberus and to be Ferni's guinea pigs. She accepted our offer, and I set off with her from Amarr along with another of our family's pilots, Ms Amber Patoria.

Firstly, I needed a ship that could hit the Drifter from a very long range, around 200k, the Drifter cannot hit very accurately beyond 160k. It also needed to be able to outrun a Drifter. Drifters will pursue you at the speed of approximately 3300ms, so it's gotta be faster than that. Ferni had designed a Cerberus for exactly this task and here is the fit I used...

Quote:
[Cerberus, Damn Son]
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II


Targeting Range Script x 2
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x280
Nanite Repair Paste x105

Now we're ready to go, so all we need is a Drifter or two. We set off from Amarr, where there's lots of Drifter and seeker activity recently, and found ourselves four jumps away in Jennim. Here, we located a Jove Observatory. After some loitering we managed to attract some Circadian Seekers. Hoping to lure some Drifters, we engaged the Seekers and sure enough as the third went down two Artemis Tyrannos appeared.

Now comes the fun!

Ferni: "You will be aligned to the same celestial at all times, speed must be set to 3.5km/s"
Ferni: "At 160km you will begin firing."
Ferni: "If at 230km and Drifters are flying out of range, slow to 2km/s until Drifters have caught up (or 220km)"
Ferni: "When fifth volley is fired, according to the database, the Drifter's overshield will be depleted."
Ferni: "This means you will be doomsdayed, however, you will warp out before the fifth volley has landed."
Ferni: "You will actually leave the system."
Ferni: "So your celestial of choice is a Station (preferred) or a Stargate (if no stations)"
Dani: "Okay, so after launching the 5th volley he'll prepare to doomsday me, I wait a few seconds after the fifth volley has fired and warp out/dock up?"
Ferni: "Correct."
Dani: "And I take it the first thing he will do when I return to him is doomsday me? So I'm kinda defusing his doomsday on the noobship, reshipping to cerb, and coming back a third time?"
Ferni: "Yup."
Dani: "Gotcha"


Once the Drifters had arrived I did some bookmarking and warping around to position myself around two hundred kilometers from them and began to engage the first. It took a loss or to before I got my distance and timing right, but this is essentially what happened: The Drifter would pursue me, but I could hold him at 160-220k range easily. Artemis was missing me with ever single one of his shots. Meanwhile I depleted his Overshield. Now this is important to remember - once the overshield hits 0% the Drifter will engage you with his doomsday weapon. Period. And if you're in it's way you are toast, no matter what you're flying or how much reps you have.

As his Overshield hit 0% my target lock was broken and a deep sound filled my sensors, this is Artemis about to doomsday my poor little Cerberus. But thankfully I am aligned out already and off I warp without a scratch. I reshipped to a Reaper and returned, though unfortunately Artemis didn't seem interested in doomsdaying me.

Dani: "Warping in with noobship"
Dani /emote waits
Dani /emote trembles
Ferni: "Maybe come in close, and shoot with civilian guns?"
Dani: "Will do."
Ferni: "They shoulda done it by now."


So I did my best to get them really angry, anything to try and make them doomsday me...

Dani: "DOOMSDAY ME BOYS"
Dani: "Your mother was an Emergent Patroller! She had great melted nanoribbons. Oh the sounds she made as I salvaged her ******* WRECK m8."


Nothing. It seemed the Drifters had adapted to this reshipping tactic (though there was some delay in my reshipping, would be worth re-testing to be sure) and no doomsday was forthcoming. So I reshipped to my Cerb and returned to find myself ... instantly doomsdayed! Yay!

(Cont...)

dαní ㅤㅤ

σиlу ιи dαякиєѕѕ cαи уσυ ѕєє тнє ѕтαяѕ

ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?"

Dani Dusette
Division 13
#87 - 2015-05-01 22:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Dusette
Ferni: "THE PROPHECY WAS TRUE"
Ferni: "I win at the Drifter predictions game"
Ferni: "I'd said earlier maybe it's that you can only get doomsdayed in the ship you shot him in"


And so it seemed this was now the case (though still worth another test). I returned in another Cerberus and once more kept Artemis at around 200k range while I pummeled him with my missiles. With his doomsday defused, all was going well, he was going into deep armor and this was just feeling way too easy.

Suddenly though I noticed I was running out of capacitor from running my 100mn MWD for so long. It was cutting out and Artemis was closing on me. I began to overheat my launchers to finish him off. This is where my own piloting error saw me fail in completely destroying him - Firstly, I should have overheated my launchers much earlier and secondly I should have dropped a bookmark, warped out to allow my cap to recharge, then back in again to easily finish him off.

Sadly I got greedy and held on, hoping I could kill him before he got close enough to hurt me. I was wrong and once his armor hit 30% he'd got to around the 100k mark from me and began to land shots. My ship was destroyed pretty quickly as a result.

It was late now, and I was tired. But we'd shown that Ferni's theory was correct and the technique sound. It'd only failed due to my piloting error at the last moment, otherwise Artemis would be laying in a wreck among my Cerb wrecks right now.

Fun things worth testing:
Double check the reshipping thing. I was a little slow to reship and this may have had an impact.
Once Artemis attempts to doomsday you, warp out like I did, and have another pilot in a second Cerberus warp in immediately to take up fire from where you left off. Perhaps Artemis will not doomsday this new combatant?

So that's it.

That's how I almost killed a Drifter on my own and had a ton of fun doing so! Though I bet my sister's Kredit card isn't smiling so brightly, ha.

I tell my experience from tonight so some people can sleep easier when thinking about this threat, and that others might get inspired to take our attempt and emulate it, or indeed come up with some tactic similar of their own. I think this kind of thing is real research that can make a real difference. Get out there and get involved if this topic is of interest to you! It's a lot of fun if you like combat and I learned a whole lot while doing so. Big thanks to our friend Ferni for making it happen.

I'm not even that good a pilot. I'm sure thousands out there can do a lot better!

If all it takes is one or two pilots to take down these things then I think that's pretty relevant, don't you?

Thanks for listening! Fly fun!

dαní ㅤㅤ

σиlу ιи dαякиєѕѕ cαи уσυ ѕєє тнє ѕтαяѕ

ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?"

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#88 - 2015-05-01 22:15:36 UTC
Thank you, Danika.

There are thousands of pilots out there better than my sister.

There are many too who've likely spent as much time as our friend researching this stuff.

Drifters can adapt, but we humans have been doing that for far, far longer.

It is not us who needs to be afraid, it is them.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#89 - 2015-05-01 22:34:13 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
It is not us who needs to be afraid, it is them.

Maybe that's why they're here afterall, Boss?

Who knows.

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