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Any skin on any ship - bug on SiSi - yes we could have skins on ships

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chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-05-01 13:31:33 UTC
I am referring to this Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/34hvr9/psa_you_can_skin_any_ship_with_any_skin_blood/

Apparently CCP has the means to allow us nice new skins on every ship in game.

Let that sink in for a moment, any skin on any ship.

While I do understand the argument of now allowing Sarum Ishtar, for lore reasons, why I cant use Vexor skin on Ishtar is beyond me.

Or any other skin that is avalible on T1 ship to be used on T2 variant.

Clearly that can be allowed today.
It was allowed on SiSi.

Guess they will squeez every cent out of skin system.
Where you have to buy a skin for every T1 / T2 ship separately.

With average price for a skin of 30$
And as far as I know skins stay on character , so when you sell a char you sell skins as well.
That you paid a lot of RL money to own.

This could be worse idea then monocle gate.

Did we learn nothing from inside CCP PDF called - Greed is good ?
http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf
( By the way the PDF is legitimate. They did actually publish it in house )

Will we see yet another Hillmars apology and yet another dunk in player base, that never recovered from Incarna mistake.
How many times do you have to make bad decisions to learn a lesson CCP ?
Torla Grey
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-05-01 13:39:08 UTC
I don't plan on buying any so this is not a problem.
binaryAegis
Nova Express
#3 - 2015-05-01 14:08:51 UTC
The main issue I take with your post is this:

Quote:
With average price for a skin of 30$


The actual average is closer to $12. Of the 130 skins available, only 4 of them are $30, which represents 3% of all of the available skins

Take a look at this chart and see what I mean.

Although I think you are being a bit overly dramatic I agree with the rest of your post
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#4 - 2015-05-01 14:12:14 UTC
Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code Shocked. The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#5 - 2015-05-01 14:16:36 UTC
Slap any colours on any ship and Id buy a heck of a lot more of em.
Kerena Alabel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-01 14:23:49 UTC
Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.
chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-05-01 14:23:55 UTC
Luna Arindale wrote:
Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code Shocked. The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option.



Paragraphs are great in case people actually decide to read what you posted.

As for D-Scan - skins dont change the name of a ship.
They do how ever change the way your ship looks like.

As for the rest of your post, I am having trouble understanding what message you actually wanted to convey.

Considering me being on dramatic side, perhaps.
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#8 - 2015-05-01 14:35:34 UTC
chelly Dian wrote:
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.


They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#9 - 2015-05-01 14:40:56 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.

To be fair, if SKINs could be used on any ship, the possible pool for use is 4x the size than it was originally. If individual corp SKINs were sold that could be used on any ship at all, you're still going to have the folks buying, say, a Syndicate skin for the Atron, but you'll also have the chance to sell a Syndicate skin for the Omen to somebody who flies Omens, but didn't like the existing SKIN options.

I can understand "special" corp SKINs being restricted (such as Quafe and Police), but the general corp colors would be awesome to have as general any-ship varieties.

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chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-05-01 14:41:03 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.


I see you werent around for Incarna.

The monocle still has no impact on game play as such.

But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding.

I was there shooting the monument.

But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE.
We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ.

Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store.
Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance.

As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday.
CCP had to shut down some offices around the world
World of Darkness canceled
Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it.

We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience.
CCP as a company lost even more.

Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-05-01 14:41:21 UTC
Entity wrote:
chelly Dian wrote:
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.


They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P


Ah, yes.. the memories.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#12 - 2015-05-01 14:47:45 UTC
Im actually sorry I read this thread now.

Thought it was sense.

Reporting as a rant.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#13 - 2015-05-01 14:48:36 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Entity wrote:
chelly Dian wrote:
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.


They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P


Ah, yes.. the memories.

CCP took a lot of functionality away from the game. My bio got concatenated to hell back when they changed that around.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-05-01 14:53:28 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Entity wrote:
chelly Dian wrote:
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.


They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P


Ah, yes.. the memories.

CCP took a lot of functionality away from the game. My bio got concatenated to hell back when they changed that around.


Lucky you. I had a peevish GM coming at me, who did not see the funny in a frog breaking the surface line, telling you to take off your pants. :(

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Mister Ripley
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-05-01 15:24:39 UTC
chelly Dian wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.


I see you werent around for Incarna.

The monocle still has no impact on game play as such.

But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding.

I was there shooting the monument.

But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE.
We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ.

Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store.
Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance.

As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday.
CCP had to shut down some offices around the world
World of Darkness canceled
Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it.

We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience.
CCP as a company lost even more.

Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again.


*sigh* Just trowing random words in the discussion and refer to something gate without knowing what it all was about... Maybe YOU should read something about it to get a better understanding... The greed is good stuff you are talking about was a internal discussion that got leaked. A discussion with different opinions about micro transactions.

Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars.
Monocle gate was something that some "news" sites escalated to generate clicks.
Another problem was that CCP didn't comunicate very well if there were plans to sell "gold ammo" or something alike.

TBH, I would pay 50k AUR or even more for something I like. As long as I can get AUR ingame for ISK, I don't see any problems here. And as long as it's just vanity stuff. As soon as CCP tries to put a AUR price tag on a game feature, be it even a UI Theme like my beloved Dark Opaque Theme, I'm out!
Kerena Alabel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-05-01 15:46:07 UTC
Mister Ripley wrote:
chelly Dian wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.


I see you werent around for Incarna.

The monocle still has no impact on game play as such.

But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding.

I was there shooting the monument.

But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE.
We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ.

Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store.
Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance.

As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday.
CCP had to shut down some offices around the world
World of Darkness canceled
Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it.

We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience.
CCP as a company lost even more.

Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again.


*sigh* Just trowing random words in the discussion and refer to something gate without knowing what it all was about... Maybe YOU should read something about it to get a better understanding... The greed is good stuff you are talking about was a internal discussion that got leaked. A discussion with different opinions about micro transactions.

Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars.
Monocle gate was something that some "news" sites escalated to generate clicks.
Another problem was that CCP didn't comunicate very well if there were plans to sell "gold ammo" or something alike.

TBH, I would pay 50k AUR or even more for something I like. As long as I can get AUR ingame for ISK, I don't see any problems here. And as long as it's just vanity stuff. As soon as CCP tries to put a AUR price tag on a game feature, be it even a UI Theme like my beloved Dark Opaque Theme, I'm out!



Yeah i read a lot about monoclegate and it really seemed much ado about nothing. Reddit is good at creating shitstorms and drama over minor things as are many other websites. Frankly anyone who ragequit over that was bound to lose their temper eventually at some other minor cosmetic change. Or easily manipulated into being someones flying devil monkey. What people should be really focusing on are things that actually affect gameplay. Sov mechanics etc. If people had spent half the energy they used in monoclegate to actually improving the game don't you think CCP would listen?


P.S anyone who ragequits the game feel free to send me your stuff.
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#17 - 2015-05-01 15:52:57 UTC
chelly Dian wrote:
Luna Arindale wrote:
Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code Shocked. The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option.



Paragraphs are great in case people actually decide to read what you posted.

As for D-Scan - skins dont change the name of a ship.
They do how ever change the way your ship looks like.

As for the rest of your post, I am having trouble understanding what message you actually wanted to convey.

Considering me being on dramatic side, perhaps.
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.


Paragraphs are great, except when every sentence is in one.
But if you insist.
I will type like this when conveying to you.

Time limited ship skins are a thing
They exist in 7,30,90, and 365 day versions in the game code.
As such the cost of the current ship skins make sense.
I am assuming that those will be released

I know they don't change the dscan currently I am not stupid.
I was suggesting that if CCP ever did do that to help distinguish targets then having t1 skins for t2s could be abused.
No one who actually cares pays attention to anything but dscan and overview anyway.

I want t2 skins, and I want the t2 skins to be for the factions with the most money.
As those factions can actually afford the ships so it would make sense for them to have them.

Now please, I hate typing like this because it makes me seem like an arrogant ass.
Can we keep the discussion civil atleast? I am using a tablet, with keys much smaller than my fingers. I was typing rather fast at the time so I appologize for the lack of a good structure to my paragraph.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2015-05-01 16:02:20 UTC
chelly Dian wrote:


This could be worse idea then monocle gate.

Did we learn nothing from inside CCP PDF called - Greed is good ?
http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf
( By the way the PDF is legitimate. They did actually publish it in house )

Will we see yet another Hillmars apology and yet another dunk in player base, that never recovered from Incarna mistake.
How many times do you have to make bad decisions to learn a lesson CCP ?

nope.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#19 - 2015-05-01 16:06:36 UTC
Luna Arindale wrote:

Paragraphs are great, except when every sentence is in one.
But if you insist.
I will type like this when conveying to you.



You should try typing like this.

It's very easy to read

But then sometimes

people complain

that they

find it

odd.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-05-01 16:17:36 UTC
Why? (Let that soak in for a minute, OP.)

WELCOME TO A FOR-PROFIT VENTURE!


You are a child of free-market capitalism. You shouldn't need these things explained to you. Unless, perhaps there was a mental lapse...REDDIT? Okay...just watch it in the future. It's dog eat dog out there.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
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