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Ship for blitzing L3's
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-05-01 02:30:10 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mach, hands down.


Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...



. . . . and he didn't mention my Tengu.


For the missions Stoic posted, my Tengu beat the Mach in almost every one!

I did post those results.

Even after the nerf on the ROF on rails, I stll could turn in better times.

-Kirst


Tengu got nerfed since then and its in line for more nerfs.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-05-01 13:31:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
[Proteus, 250mm rails] (9.32 AU; 1,432 m/s MWD; align time 8.06 s; DPS 602, 1,874 Volley; tracking speed 0.063 rad/sec; rof 3.11 s; Tengu outperforms this set up only in align time and rails tracking speed.

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer x4
Tracking Enhancer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II x2
Sensor Booster II
10MN Microwarpdrive II

250mm Railgun II x6, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Dissonic Encoding Platform
Gravitational Capacitor
Dissolution Sequencer
Power Core Multiplier
Nanobot Injector


Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Warp Drive Speed WS-610
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-703
Zainou 'Deadeye' Medium Hybrid Turret MH-805
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905
Zainou 'Gnome' Weapon Upgrades WU-1003

Basically this fit is pretty similar in stats of your Tengu but possibly could outperform and squeeze a few seconds from Tengu's time.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-05-01 13:44:26 UTC
Vulture is up there, but who is going to use one of those Blink
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#24 - 2015-05-01 13:57:13 UTC
tiddle,

Proteus looks good too.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Kirobacsi
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-05-01 14:27:45 UTC
Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#26 - 2015-05-04 20:22:45 UTC
Kirobacsi wrote:
Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best



This, you not going to beat a mach at blitzing low level missions. With 800mm ac's everything is in range as you can kill stuff out to over 60km. warp in, if no gates align out, shoot only what you need to and warp out. Fit a t2 small tractor so you can grab the mission loot if it is needed and start aligning out. Split your guns so you don't waste cycles, I go 2, 2 3.

... What next ??
Marchet Aggregator
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-05-04 20:51:06 UTC
GordonO wrote:
Kirobacsi wrote:
Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best



This, you not going to beat a mach at blitzing low level missions. With 800mm ac's everything is in range as you can kill stuff out to over 60km. warp in, if no gates align out, shoot only what you need to and warp out. Fit a t2 small tractor so you can grab the mission loot if it is needed and start aligning out. Split your guns so you don't waste cycles, I go 2, 2 3.



A lot of time has passed since I runned L3s but do they allow BSes to use the gates (if he missions has gates)?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#28 - 2015-05-04 22:24:07 UTC
Leviathan, hands down

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2015-05-05 03:36:29 UTC
Marchet Aggregator wrote:
GordonO wrote:
Kirobacsi wrote:
Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best



This, you not going to beat a mach at blitzing low level missions. With 800mm ac's everything is in range as you can kill stuff out to over 60km. warp in, if no gates align out, shoot only what you need to and warp out. Fit a t2 small tractor so you can grab the mission loot if it is needed and start aligning out. Split your guns so you don't waste cycles, I go 2, 2 3.



A lot of time has passed since I runned L3s but do they allow BSes to use the gates (if he missions has gates)?


Yes they allow battleships.
Darling Hassasin
Parental Control
Didn't want that Sov anyway.
#30 - 2015-05-05 08:51:23 UTC
With the respective skill at 5 the t3 Destroyers are very efficient at blitzing lvl3s at a fraction of the price and easily used in low sec areas to provide similar LP rewards to lvl 4 missions
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#31 - 2015-05-06 01:51:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
GordonO wrote:
Kirobacsi wrote:
Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best



This, you not going to beat a mach at blitzing low level missions. With 800mm ac's everything is in range as you can kill stuff out to over 60km. warp in, if no gates align out, shoot only what you need to and warp out. Fit a t2 small tractor so you can grab the mission loot if it is needed and start aligning out. Split your guns so you don't waste cycles, I go 2, 2 3.


But I did! Haven't you been paying attention.

The idea that Stoic started was to blitzL3missionsasfastaspossible. He did it for "giggles and laughs".

The Tengu with the 3 tracking computers (as used by Stoic) with optimal range script has a fall-off range within 79km, and optimal range within 50km. That's plenty for almost all the L3 missions. The missions that were blitzed are just about the easiest L3s there is.

Yes, the Mach can one-shot almost all the targets. The 250's on the Tengu cycle at 3.1s, and with 670dps, everything goes down fast.

The trade-off in the comparison was that the Mach might complete the shooting of required targets a few seconds faster than the Tengu, but the Tengu at 9.32AU/s was getting there a few seconds quicker. Most of the Tengu's overall times were faster.

As I have said before, my Tengu beat almost all of Stoic's times on his spread sheet.

I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything.

I'm not really hearing anything from anyone on the times they could do these missions in. Has anyone actually tried? Maybe tried and failed? Stoic has laid down the ground rules if anyone wants to add their two cents.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#32 - 2015-05-06 03:15:47 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything


too much effort imo. I'd spend more time updating spreadsheets and playing with the stopwatch than playing eve. probably best to just compare isk and LP/hour or something.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#33 - 2015-05-06 03:29:42 UTC
Darling Hassasin wrote:
With the respective skill at 5 the t3 Destroyers are very efficient at blitzing lvl3s at a fraction of the price and easily used in low sec areas to provide similar LP rewards to lvl 4 missions


now that sounds fun PirateBear

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#34 - 2015-05-06 11:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything


too much effort imo. I'd spend more time updating spreadsheets and playing with the stopwatch than playing eve. probably best to just compare isk and LP/hour or something.



I totally agree with you.

The point of all this was that if Stoics Mach could generate 90M+/hr, by blitzing L3s, then all anyone had to do to earn that amount of isk and LPs, was to do comparable times or beat his times.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-05-06 12:42:37 UTC
GIla.....
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-05-06 13:35:10 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
GIla.....


no. read the thread.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#37 - 2015-05-07 08:34:41 UTC
Loki does well, as does tengu. Legion is better than proteus for most l3 blitzing.
If you are willing to shell out, a DC2 tanked, max gank AC mach does wonders, but is paper thin if you don't know exactly what is a trigger for what.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-05-07 11:17:31 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Loki does well, as does tengu. Legion is better than proteus for most l3 blitzing.
If you are willing to shell out, a DC2 tanked, max gank AC mach does wonders, but is paper thin if you don't know exactly what is a trigger for what.



Unfortunatelly neither Loki nor Legion have subs to increase warp speed. Both Tengu and Proteus have them, and beat a Mach in thit regard. So basically Warp speed with mach loki and legion would be the same 5.22 with 3x HVO tech 2. But Mach got superrior weapon vs t3. That is why only Tengu and Proteus been added to Mach as the best competitors.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-05-08 05:08:48 UTC
Myrmidon: AFK drone madness.
Hurricane: Takes a little more paying attention, but the payoff is excellent.
Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
#40 - 2015-05-08 14:19:00 UTC
For a ship requiring lower skill requirements, like most people that are doing L3 missions, a hurricane (650 arty) can complete them pretty quickly, and the fleet issue is a little better with the extra utility high so you can fit 2 RLML's. For L3's you can fit warp speed rigs as tank is seldom a problem. I have also completed most of the L4 missions in a hurricane as well although in that case it takes some skill and can get dicey at times.
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