Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ouch, that personal attack I think is against forum rules. Calling out another player a "stupid dummy idiot" wasn't nice. Please, lets keep this civil. That bullet wound will hurt for days.

There should be no isk making. Missions give just reward points that you can turn in for ships. When you get blown up, the enemy fleet or solo player gets a percentage of your ship value based on current avg new eden prices highsec regions. Make bounties actually mean something. When a certain faction doesnt like you, they put a bounty on you in the form of a ship or fleet of ships reward. Eliminate wealth entirely. Just have ships as currency lol.

While the OP may be going a bit far, the jist of the issue is that there are a lot of activities in EVE that don't require you to log in for long stretches of time, relatively to what you're getting out of it. PI and moon mining are the most prominent examples.

It's not about defending the latter either, but about how little interactivity such a system actually needs to work, and still be profitable. I would argue that the amount of passive activities in EVE is a direct cause of the stagnation of the amount of people online (of of, you know what i mean), and that has to be looked at.

Best troll thread to date.

Cause logistics are free.

Cause structures are free.

Cause wardecs cant blow your crap up.

Etc.

Can I haz ur stuffs, for my passive incomes.

if he replies more than once its active trolling

If he doesn't reply at all, it's passive

No, you're not making 6 billion profit on a 6 month old character.

At most they have around 9 million SP and sell for anything from 3 - 6 Billion. When you take in the cost of the account (Power Of Two is often a good way to do it when it runs) and the $20/2 PLEX to transfer, the profit is relatively low on a 6-month old character.

As an alternative, you can buy already established characters and continue to train those. Then the profit at the end is reduced by the 6-month subscriptions cost, the initial purchase cost and transfer. It is possible to make good profit on established characters, but 1 billion profit per month still implies an increase in value of close to 2 billion per month, which is very rare.

Any source of truly passive income will either be (1) competed down in price until the effort in setting it up roughly equals the gains from doing it or (2) fought over until the cost of acquisition roughly equals the gains.

You observe case (1) with datacores. When they were new, you could make signifcantly more than 1 PLEX/month with a 3 datacore alt, especially since LP used to accrue while unsubbed . Now with datacores you can expect to make maybe 100mil/month with 3 accounts doing it, or the equivalent of a few hours of mission running. Nothing to write home about.

You observe case (2) with things like moon mining, where alliances fight over the best space and have to invest significant time and effort into moving all of their moon goo around and keeping poses fueled. Arguably POSes aren't even passive income because you have to fuel it and move goods to market, but I see your point.

I would not consider PI to be passive income. It is a huge clickfest and at the end you get a little bit of ISK. This sounds a lot like mining...

So this is what we call a forum thread these days.

Impressive.