Intergalactic Summit

It doesn't have to be, it simply is; unless the parents are either not involved in the upbringing of their own children or they are forced to teach their children a particular thing by some external force. If neither of those are true, then the parents will naturally, in the process of raising their children, impart upon them traditions and culture that they themselves practice.

For the purposes of this discussion, the point being made is that one or both of those conditions are true in the Amarr Empire and thus the choice of the parents has been removed. Which, consequently brings me to the answer to your next question.



Here we have a misunderstanding of what is being stated.

Natural assimilation involves exposure to a particular culture over time, which naturally leads to the adoption of all or part of that culture by those being exposed to it. It requires little-to-no intentional effort by those already a part of that culture other than simply continuing to observe it.

Mind you, this too can be exploited by a people and used to forcefully assimilate another people, but the difference is whether or not there is an active, intentional effort to subsume one culture in favor of another. If not, it is a natural process, if so, then it is an intentional force, regardless of the method used.

Immigrants moving to another nation and slowly (or even rapidly) adopting parts of that nation's traditions and culture are undergoing a process of natural cultural assimilation. Nobody is forcing them to do so, they simply are doing so by being exposed to it.

The difference between this process and that practiced by the Empire is that the Empire actively and intentionally dissuades the continuing practice of any traditions or culture outside of its own for those groups that are subject to it. It will go as far as to destroy relics, books, art and other similar objects; mentally and physically punish the practice and teaching of said foreign culture and consistently work against any remembrance or resurgence of that culture or any of its traditions or elements.

There is a substantial difference between the latter process and the former process; that difference is intent.

That is what my point actually was : you seem to assume that parents get precedence over the institution of the state. It may be the case in a lot of parts of the Federation, but that does not mean that it is the case everywhere, and even less that it is a natural thing.

Well, it is a natural fact found in nature. It is not necessarily a natural fact found in some societies (cf, the Caldari State, and maybe half or more of the Amarr Empire, often authoritarian systems).



It was never in my intention to discuss of the intent behind cultural assimilation.

The assumption that the Empire systematically tries to erase all traces of the absorbed culture is wrong, if I may say so. Nothing seems to point that it was the case in voluntarily assimilated cultures like the Khanid, or the Ni-Kunni, or even the Nefantar (whom were probably the most eager to drop their old customs).

There are indeed several examples found in the Reclaiming of the Minmatar, though, which can hint at it happening when the targeted culture is reluctant to bend.

Also, the first process you describe is basically one used by the Federation, and it often involves severe penalties or retribution when the surrounding cultures try to resist, be it economic, political or military retribution. The Federation trying to impose their views on individual freedom, is a constant example of that, but the most obvious reminder is the case of the Caldari prior to the State.

To paraphrase a wise man, he once observed that

"The most extravagant idea is to believe that it suffices for people to enter, weapons in hand, among a foreign people and expect to have its laws and religion and culture embraced. No one loves armed missionaries. The first lesson of nature and prudence is to repulse them as enemies."

So long as the Amarr do not disclaim forcible "Reclaiming" as they euphemistically call it, they must be firmly resisted.



The Elder Fleet and the invasement of the Amarr home worlds was necessary. Sometime it is necessary to shed blood in order to bring about a universal dawn for an oppressed people. It is necessary to confront external enemies or perish.

I make no apologies for being of the Hawk Party. it is people like you and Miss Diana Kim that make it necessary, to the point where even Doves, like Monsieur Antolliere recognize the necessity of military strength and protection for the ideals of the Federation to flourish.

I must apologize for not having been clear enough... Exporting moral values and pressuring people, especially outsiders, to use them, or to conform to them, is cultural assimilation to my eyes... What makes you say that it is not ?

And well... yes, I am well aware that this is not a discussion about the Federation... Much like it was not a discussion about the Amarr Empire either... I feel a bit bad for contributing to a... uhm. thread derailment ?

Honestly part of my original question involved how the Amarr empire attacked and still attacks our people in ways aside from slavery,, the federation side of it while not really part of it still is talking about things that relate in some way..... If it is derailment I'm at least thankful for it giving me more to think about in relation to our allies. Though I fully agree it shouldn't become a focal point...

I will say that while I don't agree with it, I can understand the reasoning. My only issue with this is if your offering some better way of life, under your god or whatever, why would this dissonance occur? If it is in fact superior they would see that would they not? They wouldn't theoretically stay a slave if they understood, "This is where I came from, look at how far my own people have progressed under the rule of our almighty god," would they? Showing them this would only reinforce their holder's teachings that they are only bettering them. Maybe I'm missing something here, it just doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Again I can understand the reasoning, but the people you are indoctrinating with this faith are just that, people. A farmer will take care of their wheat, but their wheat doesn't have a mind of their own. Understandably so, I doubt you'd know such an obscure fact as this off the top of your head but have their been any issues caused by this? Fearing the shadows doesn't show a lot of faith. I'm not trying to attack you with this, really I have plenty of ships with autocannons and railguns for just that if I wanted to attack you (and I'm sure you've yet to see me on your overview, or will you for a while honestly). But "they don't need to know" or "its not their holder's responsibility" is a rather lame excuse. Would you want your history to be invalidated because its inconvenient? Why is it ok for them?