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PVP team arena.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#1 - 2015-04-30 13:35:31 UTC
1.Make a place, where you do not need to wait for a target if you want PVP.
2.Make a place, where you will face approximately same hulls, not like faction frigates vs T1 frigates in novice plexes.

1. Let say CONCORD arena let players come into special dead space in 2 teams of 5 or ten players on each side. Capture the flag, kill all, what ever scenario is good one. The main idea is that as soon as your team is registered by CONCORD you will get into waiting queue. You can see, what team are already waiting, so you can make your team quickly ready. Like you see that there is a team in T1 non-faction frigates and team in T2 cruiser hulls are ready and wait. You coose to fight in cruisers, fit accordingly and let your team register. You get your match. Almost no waiting, sitting on empty gate for who knows how long. Alternatively you can just register yourself as a single pilot for a fight and you will get in one with other random ppl.

2. Teams will be build on strictly same class, including separate classes for normal T1, faction, T2 and T3 ships. There can be also leagues, where experienced teams will meet equal opponents.

I know eve is a sand box and that this can empty usual PvP places, but lets face it - few years ago Eve can afford it to stay like this. Now gamers, who wants action, can go to some other online games, where they find fights, even with match making. They get them almost instantly, with just one click. And Eve with all its super nice infrustructure and traditions seem to lack this ability. I know places, where you will almost instantly get killed by local pirates but even there it can happen, that you will spin the button for 5- 10 minutes before they kill you. I see so many topics made by semi-newbees, who want to join the fight but they are sitting in different regions. Let them meet each other in some sort of match making, where they will not get slaughtered before learning much.

This idea is probably an old one, but it is so obvios... I did not find similar suggestion for next few pages of the F&ID section, so sorry, but I decided to make a post anyway.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-04-30 13:42:51 UTC
Pretty sure RvB covers most of this....?
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#3 - 2015-04-30 13:48:59 UTC
I want to stay in my corp. I want the fight and I want it now, before some RvB arrange something big and serios. PvP in Eve is not RvB only. Of cause Brave newbees, factional warfare, RvB - that all give you more chances for fight. But you always have to wait long...
And this new arena can actually run on a separate server, or even servers if it will become that popular. So basically no need for TiDi or some other form of anti-lag software tools.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2015-04-30 13:49:06 UTC
No.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-04-30 13:57:00 UTC
If you want an instant fight, there's never not suspects on jita undock.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-04-30 14:03:38 UTC
erg cz wrote:
And this new arena can actually run on a separate server, or even servers if it will become that popular. So basically no need for TiDi or some other form of anti-lag software tools.

So basically a whole new game that undermines the existing one. Why would we want this?

Travelling at the speed of love.

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#7 - 2015-04-30 14:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Never liked the idea of arenas in EvE to my mind they would undermine the entire sandbox aspect of the game.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#8 - 2015-04-30 14:08:03 UTC
afkalt wrote:
If you want an instant fight, there's never not suspects on jita undock.

We all know, that those suspects are using various tools to make an unfair fight.

Ix Method wrote:

So basically a whole new game that undermines the existing one. Why would we want this?


Separate physical servers still same game. Not new game - an enhancement for existing one. Eve is much more than just a small gang PvP (which is actually very much what arena would be about).
Ix Method
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-04-30 14:15:51 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
So basically a whole new game that undermines the existing one. Why would we want this?

Separate physical servers still same game. Not new game - an enhancement for existing one. Eve is much more than just a small gang PvP (which is actually very much what arena would be about).

Quite so, I'm sure people would marvel at the opportunity to be super lazy and use it. Lots. Instead of pewpewing on the main server. Which hurts the original game. Which is bad. Which makes this a bad idea.

And scene.

Travelling at the speed of love.

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#10 - 2015-04-30 14:28:47 UTC
Ix Method wrote:

Quite so, I'm sure people would marvel at the opportunity to be super lazy and use it. Lots. Instead of pewpewing on the main server. Which hurts the original game. Which is bad. Which makes this a bad idea.

And scene.


The only real argument I see against this idea. Yes, there is a danger as I mentioned in " this can empty usual PvP places". My point is - if those places are going to get empty anyway because ppl leave the game, why not try to change this? I mean - you agree, that this would be a very popular feature, so why not do it? If this is what ppl want?
And if you will not be allowed to loot the wrecks, this would be very expensive feature as well. If arena kills will not be shown in killboard, killboard whores will not go there that often. So there will be lots of players grinding ISK for arena (or selling PLEXes) and a lot of pirates, who hunt them for nice killboard. And those, who will hunt hunters and so on. So first time - yes, there will be less PvP in other parts of the Eve. But later on there will be much more players in there, players, who will get experience in PVP in arena and want to buil their home, somehwere in null, WH etc... Cause Eve is more, than just a shooter.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#11 - 2015-04-30 14:36:50 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Never liked the idea of arenas in EvE to my mind they would undermine the entire sandbox aspect of the game.
Not supported.
Indeed.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2015-04-30 14:42:24 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Samillian wrote:
Never liked the idea of arenas in EvE to my mind they would undermine the entire sandbox aspect of the game.
Not supported.
Indeed.


So help me to figure out, how to incorporate them into sandbox. Make the registration fee depending on time, spent in the game?

I am deeply persuated, that some form of opportunity to get fight quicker and with reasonable match making is what our game is lacking most. Even factional warfare is not that effective, though quite close to it.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-30 14:47:14 UTC
I believe EVE Valkyrie I what you are looking for.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2015-04-30 14:55:26 UTC
OP.

I could find fights in under 10-15min normally when i was in FW. While roaming null takes alittle longer, but is certainly not hard to do. Learn the map and all the statistics it provides to find areas where PVP is happening or where you can go to drum some up.

If you want an "arena" on a seperate server, use the test server. They have multiple combat beacons you can warp to for pews.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#15 - 2015-04-30 15:03:13 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I believe EVE Valkyrie I what you are looking for.

Valkyrie is not out yet. And from what I saw it will be a first man shooter rather then Eve online. I want to make Eve better, more populated. Not to find myself a clon of WoT in space ;) So I am 150 % positive to refactor the whole idea for something, what will not ruin sandbox, but gives players easier access to PvP and at least some form of match making better, than FW ones.

I do understand, that big part of the PvP personal skill is to avoid fights, where you can lose, but let also new player to fight before they die. Cause that is why we lose most of the players, who payed their first month of subscription. If I remember correctly, less, then 10 % of those, who payerd for their first month in the game, stay there.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-04-30 15:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
erg cz wrote:
I want to make Eve better,

then why ask for something that is clearly not eve.

-1


Edit: And - another one for reminding me of the dojo thread
Cyno stylez
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-04-30 15:27:16 UTC
Love the idea, a specific arena for duel or team fight sound great. without leaving corp, roaming etc...

Also why not plublic bet game on dual etc...

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2015-04-30 18:16:31 UTC
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