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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2015-04-29 23:45:07 UTC
There is currently little point in initiating self-destruct other than to deny a player the satisfaction of killing you. I propose that we make it a bit more interesting with some "scorched earth" added to the mix.

Initiating a self-destruct starts a 10-second (irreversible) countdown, so there is no opportunity to reconsider. On activation, this results in the complete annihilation of the ship, any fitted modules and ammunition, the capsule and capsuleer (including loss of implants, boosters and related skills, if applicable). Only a ship's cargo has a chance of dropping as salvage in the event the ship is self-destructed. Kill mails are unaffected.

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Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-04-30 00:07:33 UTC
So not only are you denied the pleasure of killing the person you are also denied their loot? How does that make sense?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2015-04-30 00:17:05 UTC
to good, it should burn out all the modules that do drop, as an extra **** you

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2015-04-30 00:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So not only are you denied the pleasure of killing the person you are also denied their loot? How does that make sense?

Just the fitted modules. Cargo is still fair game.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
to good, it should burn out all the modules that do drop, as an extra **** you

Works for me.

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Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-04-30 00:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Yeah I read your post, you repeating what you already said doesn't make it any more clear as to why you feel it is justified to deny the winner of the fight the drop. (Most people don't carry cargo in their bling fit ratting ship or their gudfight PVP ship)

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2015-04-30 00:39:21 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
(Most people don't carry cargo in their bling fit ratting ship or their gudfight PVP ship)

my strippers,tobacco and boose beg to differ with that

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Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-30 00:43:43 UTC
One problem with that. Eject and Self Destruct are right next to each other for a super / titan. This is the right click dropdown.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#8 - 2015-04-30 02:04:57 UTC
I think it would simply be better to lower the self-destruct to a 30 second timer instead of the current 120 second timer.
Pod self destruct should be instant - or at most 5 seconds and irreversible. Its just a matter of overriding the safeties and cracking the case open yourself.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#9 - 2015-04-30 05:42:07 UTC
while we're at it, why not make self destruct deal an AoE damage?

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-04-30 05:59:33 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Yeah I read your post, you repeating what you already said doesn't make it any more clear as to why you feel it is justified to deny the winner of the fight the drop. (Most people don't carry cargo in their bling fit ratting ship or their gudfight PVP ship)

Where is the reason to give your opponent your loot when you lost? Just because you won does not mean you are entitled to get the spoils. There could be a counter measure to stop that countdown, but if you fail or don't have the respective module (ie. be prepared), I should be able to scorch my earth as much as I want.

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#11 - 2015-04-30 06:15:09 UTC
I have never understood the timer for self destructing being so long, i guess its to get people to have a shot at killing you before you explode...

But i tend to do my self destructing in safes because a wormhole closed behind me or because my ship exploded in some out of the way nullsec system with no easy extraction for my pod...
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-04-30 09:31:26 UTC
Then what would the point being in staging ambushes versus capital ships with a fleet of subcaps? This would destroy a lot of fun...
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-04-30 10:05:24 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Yeah I read your post, you repeating what you already said doesn't make it any more clear as to why you feel it is justified to deny the winner of the fight the drop. (Most people don't carry cargo in their bling fit ratting ship or their gudfight PVP ship)

Where is the reason to give your opponent your loot when you lost? Just because you won does not mean you are entitled to get the spoils. There could be a counter measure to stop that countdown, but if you fail or don't have the respective module (ie. be prepared), I should be able to scorch my earth as much as I want.


If I'm going to die and I know, I overheat everything and do as much damage as I can to the ship AND jetcan my entire cargo bay and shoot the thing.

Because screw them.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#14 - 2015-04-30 10:55:18 UTC
So much angst in this thread. This is a game. If you get blown up (that is beaten in a game) by someone else doesn't sportsmanship demand that you give them a 'gf' in local and the prize of ~50% of your (former) goods?

But as to the OP, it seems like denying loot drops would serve only to lessen the reward for engaging in PvP and therefore reducing the amount of conflict in the game overall - in short make it more boring. I am not sure that is a good direction to be taking our competitive player-driven sandbox game in so -1.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2015-04-30 11:02:42 UTC
What? GF? I rarely encounter any situation where a GF is in order. And sportsmanship? We are playing a game essentially about being a douche. Sportsmanship is the least of my concerns when I try to dunk/harm/ruin/cheat someone.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#16 - 2015-04-30 11:16:57 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
What? GF? I rarely encounter any situation where a GF is in order. And sportsmanship? We are playing a game essentially about being a douche. Sportsmanship is the least of my concerns when I try to dunk/harm/ruin/cheat someone.

Any situation where you best or are bested by another player a 'gf' is in order. This is just a game after all, even if it is one that encourages ruthlessness, deviousness, and screwing over your fellow player.

A 'gf' is just good manners.

You definitely can be a douche and then be polite about it after. Similarly, if someone catches you with your pants down and teaches you a lesson, you should thank them for it and wish them well. That is good Eve sportsmanship.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-30 13:24:31 UTC
dont really see this benefiting the game at all, just sounds like bitterness and cowardly

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-04-30 13:32:08 UTC
We clearly have different standards on the application parameters of a GF. Incompatible standards, I might say. Besting me with 2 Falcons just to get me killed and not die to me is not worth a GF, it's not even worth a look in local to read the funny comments. And even less, they deserve anything from my ship. Just one example of many where a GF is absolutely not going to happen from me.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#19 - 2015-04-30 13:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Black Pedro wrote:
So much angst in this thread. This is a game. If you get blown up (that is beaten in a game) by someone else doesn't sportsmanship demand that you give them a 'gf' in local and the prize of ~50% of your (former) goods?

Interesting that you of all people would bring sportsmanship into the debate.
Where is the "sportsmanship" in attacking a ship and pilot that have no real chance of defending itself?
Where is the "sportsmanship" in having off grid boosts and the rest of that long list of dirty tricks that people like you use to gain an advantage?
Where is the "sportsmanship" in attacking players who are just peacefully going about the things they want to do in this game?
Where is the "sportsmanship" in using multiple accounts to attack a player that has a single account?

Yes you are right EvE is not a 100% safe place and for most of it that is the way it should be. However for you to expect someone to give you a GF at the end of a fight they never had a chance in hell to win to start with is simply adding insult to the injury you have already caused. You want a GF from me or anyone I know then fight a fair and honest fight and you will get it in the end no matter who wins.

Black Pedro wrote:
But as to the OP, it seems like denying loot drops would serve only to lessen the reward for engaging in PvP and therefore reducing the amount of conflict in the game overall - in short make it more boring. I am not sure that is a good direction to be taking our competitive player-driven sandbox game in so -1.

And in a vast majority of these cases denying you that loot is the only thing that a player has a chance to "win" at. I would say that we need to change the idea and a self destruct completely destroys ship, fitting AND any cargo it may have had as well as the pilots pod and implants.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-30 14:08:36 UTC
and what about fair fights where the loser is just bitter and decides to blow himself up in 10secs all because he run out of cap charges or overheated his mods too much, or decided to start pve'ing in dangerous space in a blingy ship, its a totally bad idea, professions like pirates who rely on pvp to make money will be hurt by this sort of thing, all this is, is a get out of fight fast button. If someone done this in a fight id class it as bad as warping a falcon in.

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