Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a minor issue, but hopefully provides another reason to motivate CCP to overhaul Crimewatch, improve documentation about game mechanics, or both.

About 3 weeks ago I killed a Mobile Scan Inhibitor and a Mobile Micro Jump Unit in highsec; this only made me go suspect, just like when one shoots an MTU or depot. However, unlike those cases, I also lost sec status, and the owner of the scan inhib and jump unit got killrights on me. So I petitioned it; the sec loss was a bug, but apparently the killright is intentional.

The first problem with this is, this seems like a needless exception to a relatively simple rule - the rule being 'in hisec, going criminal is accompanied by killrights; going suspect is an isolated consequence'. I don't believe there's anything sufficiently special about jump units and scan inhibs, compared to other deployables, that makes it worth complicating the game mechanics by adding extra consequences for shooting them.

The second problem is...this isn't documented anywhere. Neither the Crimewatch devblog, nor the relevant deployables devblog, nor the deployables page on Evelopedia, mention the fact that certain deployables result in killrights if you attack them. So I had no way of knowing that the deployable owners would get killrights against me, and it wasn't possible to make a properly informed decision about my actions.

I feel this provides another argument in favour of overhauling/improving the current Crimewatch system, which already has issues. If such a change isn't forthcoming, I'd hope that CCP would be willing to remove the killright mechanic from shooting deployables in highsec; failing that, I'd request that the relevant devblogs be edited to include a clear indication of the consequences of shooting deployables. Meanwhile I'll see about editing Evelopedia to include this information; but I feel that making proper, up to date game documentation should be CCP's job, not ours.

EDIT: The 'Personal Deployable Structures' and 'Crimewatch' pages on Evelopedia are locked...so much for that idea.

I would support this.

perhaps overhauling the whole system is more than what's needed right now, but the consequences of attacking mobile deployables should be consistent across the same size of deployable (personal in this case); either MTU's and depots need to generate killrights, or scan inhibitors and microjump units don't

also if these do generate kill-rights, it needs to be in the show-info section, I think, and at the very least, on a dev-blog.

tl;dr
OP has possibly reacted a bit strongly, but presents a valid point that needs adressing





EDIT: to avoid a double post:

hisec is safe for no-one, carebears included. just a bit safer than losec/null/WH
also, the complaint is not about the consequences as I read it, it's about the lack of pre-warning about the consequences

you shoot things owned by other players in high sec, , it's inherent you get a penalty. I always thought these structures gave out killrights, though mainly on its destruction rather than simply attacking. I say keep attacking a MTU and such a suspect act, but make the Mobile Scan Inhibitor and a Mobile Micro Jump Unit ( and such) destruction mentioned in OP a criminal act.

Sometimes it feels like you are not reading the posts..
Being well aware of the suspect timer, shooting a Scan Inhibitor or MMJD gives the same Suspect timer as MTU/MD, but apparently also a killright which is otherwise only given through Criminal actions (again, he got a Suspect timer, not a criminal). Sounds more like a bug to me tbh.

I fail to understand why you want this to look so fancy when you could have just written: Destroying a deployable in hisec should be more punishable" Cause it's pretty much the same thing if you simply boil it down a little.

mistakenly quoted instead of edited

Yes, this is silly. Make structures all generate killright or none of them. The latter is better for them to be conflict drivers so that would be my suggestion.

This is also a low priority problem. But I hope CCP takes note of this thread and puts it on the list of things to sort out when they release the new player-owned structure system.

yeah , a suspect timer, everyone and their dog can freely engage you for 15 minutes
Why , what is different about these devices that warrants additional penalties?

To clarify though I don't have a problem with a killright or* sec hit ,
iv shot hundreds of the damn things and I will shoot hundreds more,
it's the inconsistency that's irritating.

*On second thought I actually would have an issue with a killright, it's pretty disproportionate given the asset that generates it.

From the EVE Wiki:

(https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kill_rights)

I tried it, shot a jump unit, received a suspect timer and a kill right. According to the wiki I should not have received a kill right on me.


o7

Agreeing with the general feel of the thread, that the actual consequences aren't the issue, the inconsistency is.