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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-04-29 08:48:27 UTC
CCP still doesn't understand how microtransactions work. Give me a $40 ship skin and I'll tell you to go F yourself and never but a single thing.

Give me a $3 - 5 ship skin (maybe as high as $10 for something special) and I'll think to myself "That isn't so bad. I can afford that." Then the next week I'll think "Oooh I really like that skin too. I can afford another 5 bucks". Then before I know it a year has passed and I've spent a thousand dollars on dumb things I didn't need to be spending my money on (ask anyone who has played LoL. A "free" game).

Not to mention many of the skins that were released are pretty dismal. Ardishapur CCP? Really? Who thought that was a good idea. And the current absurdly priced skins are for T1 ships which already have decent skins instead of T2 or Navy which in a lot of cases have awful skins that people would really love to change. Dumb dumb dumb. I'm sure when T2 are released the skins will cost something even more insane like $50 - $60.

No one should buy these skins. CCP should fire everyone involved in the decision making and start fresh.
Dextrome Thorphan
#62 - 2015-04-29 08:49:59 UTC
Anise Tig'res wrote:
Remember Incarna? I think about that expansion quite a bit. All the things we were told it would be, that prototype they took around and showed people and the useless compartment we were eventually given.

And I remember the uproar about prices for NES clothing. Multiple PLEX for single items. That lost CCP players and fed protests.

We're back to that system. 30-40 $ skins for internet spaceships are now a reality. Are we really OK with this now as a community?


Who cares? It doesn't affect gameplay...
Dextrome Thorphan
#63 - 2015-04-29 09:28:49 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
I like the pale blue, and the yellow. Too bad we don't have a good red, nice deep purple, white, penicillin green, and matte pink / metallic black combinations.

But mostly, too bad that we can't purchase a color combo and apply it to ALL the ships. That's what I imagined the skins would be. That's how other games have them. Current skin costs are only appropriate if ONE skin applies to ALL ships. Not gonna buy piecemeal per ship, screw that noise.


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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2015-04-29 10:08:48 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan
#65 - 2015-04-29 10:19:41 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
DXM!!! hollaa

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2015-04-29 10:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Hayson
CCP still not understanding the "micro" in micro transactions. Roll
I might have bought some if they were more reasonably priced (and available for ships I actually fly - but that's a different topic).
The prices for the SCap skins are ok-ish considering what the ship itself costs... but paying almost the same price to skin a pathetic T1 frig?! uhm... nope

Stuff like an Erebus Interbus skin costing the same as an incursus skin... srsly, that has to be a typo.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2015-04-29 10:31:35 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
DXM!!! hollaa

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Chribba
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Otherworld Empire
#68 - 2015-04-29 10:53:48 UTC
If only I could send the AUR from one account to another to utilize as much AUR as possible from the free AUR we got before but no such luck on the horizon it seems.

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#69 - 2015-04-29 10:58:38 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
... I might have bought some if they were more reasonably priced ....
Try sell something for $100 and people complain, so when you say that you will drop it by 60%!!! to only $40 then people think that is a reasonable price. Meanwhile, some have bought it at 100 and now others will buy it at 40. If you had straight forward asked what people would pay, they probably would have said $2.50 or $5 but that won't net you as many profits because not everyone is desperate to dress their ship Barbie in different outfits.

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Krin Dessat
Far Runner
#70 - 2015-04-29 11:17:27 UTC
I was very interested in the new skins, although I was hoping for a more varied approach - such as a color changer (red, purple, orange, white, black for example).
With the prices in place for what you get, I cannot justify spending anything on it and will simply do without.

It is true it is only cosmetic, but it was a nice idea - just not one I am willing to afford.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2015-04-29 11:28:00 UTC
Permanent SKINS are a bit on the expensive side. I mean, 3750 AUR for a SKIN translates to like... a PLEX and change? That's 15 bucks for a cosmetic item. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these prices honestly. Why so hidiously expensive instead of just making them a couple of bucks each?

Ah, because if they were just a couple of bucks a permanent skin would suddenly only become worth like 50m ISK and everyone and their dogs would buy them and they'd lose their vanity. Problems problems... This entire 'micro'transaction system apparently doesn't take the complex economy of the game into account. Especially since AUR and ISK are still linked in value.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#72 - 2015-04-29 11:57:17 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Permanent SKINS are a bit on the expensive side. I mean, 3750 AUR for a SKIN translates to like... a PLEX and change? That's 15 bucks for a cosmetic item. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these prices honestly. Why so hidiously expensive instead of just making them a couple of bucks each?


Eve can also make for a hobby. It's also a lot more social than collecting stamps. If anyone would be able to afford any number of them due to the investment being so insignificant, your skin wouldn't be remotely rare or an expression of your fondness for the design. Pirate
Solecist Project
#73 - 2015-04-29 12:08:11 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Permanent SKINS are a bit on the expensive side. I mean, 3750 AUR for a SKIN translates to like... a PLEX and change? That's 15 bucks for a cosmetic item. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these prices honestly. Why so hidiously expensive instead of just making them a couple of bucks each?

Ah, because if they were just a couple of bucks a permanent skin would suddenly only become worth like 50m ISK and everyone and their dogs would buy them and they'd lose their vanity. Problems problems... This entire 'micro'transaction system apparently doesn't take the complex economy of the game into account. Especially since AUR and ISK are still linked in value.

15 bucks for something you can't ever lose.
Yeah that's soooooo expensive!!!

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Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#74 - 2015-04-29 15:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Atei
Anise Tig'res wrote:
Roberta Gastoni wrote:
Yeah but there are substantial difference in the system and the path that lead to it.

1) They had to reprogram almost entirely the ship rendering system and how it works in space
2) People can actually see your skin space
3) The default ship skins are fine and beautiful* anyway
4) Clothes came at the cost of real content, something that's not happening at this time
5) People actually asked for ship skins


1) Utterly irrelevant. The new SKIN system was made possible by upgrades they wanted.
2) People can see your clothes when they click on your info, something that happens more frequently then seeing your ship.
3) Yes, they're acceptable.
4) SKINS are as much content as clothes.
5) Plenty of people were asking for clothes and Incarna.


I agree with you. In fact, I personally thought that Incarna was going to be awesome. It's too bad it went the way it did. But to be fair, CCP had a ton of other in house projects going on at the time. Also, it's a crying shame that dust came out on the ps3 only and the way it was delivered. I was hoping and dying for CCP to have made that a part of walking in stations. So much potential squandered. It's never too late though. Regardless of my opinion on wis, i think the skins system is pretty cool. Personally, if it was up to me, I would have made them destructable. Including the aur versions. I'd make them substantially less in price and only bind to the ship you applied the skin to. Similar to how rigs work. Lose the ship, lose the skin. It would keep things ture to the nature of eve and make it where CCP didn't have to introduce a timer on the skins that drop in game. Definatley vibes of a money grab for demand that is there, but I am a mere subscriber. What do I know?
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#75 - 2015-04-29 15:36:58 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Anise Tig'res wrote:
Parah Salin McCain wrote:
Seriously, if you don't like how much the skins cost, you don't have to part with a single cent. Shut up.


Perhaps I would like reasonable prices so that I could part with my money.

Why does people arguing for lower prices bother you so much?

they sell -> they set the price
you buy -> you choose to buy or not

I see no problem here


I personally don't care about the prices of the skins, but the previous poster is not wrong in asking for lower prices. Lower prices means more people can afford to purchase the skins which lead to more revenue because of more volume. Furthermore, the people that can already afford them will benefit if they lowered their prices by reinvesting their money/isk elsewhere. Currently though, people that argue they're too expensive are exactly the type of revenue sources CCP would be missing out on. Another thing that would aid in increased volume of sales is if they made them destrucable. Regardless, I will be participating in the skins market bcause there is isk to be made.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#76 - 2015-04-29 15:44:01 UTC
I dono... I feel I'm in the minority here in where I'd rather have more clothes than ship skins... especially compared to the options we had in the old character editor for really showcasing the personality/backstory of our characters.

But no, this is internet spaceships. Purely and only. I'll go **** off now.

Although there's a link in the sig for those who still miss what we had back 2003-2011, or rather just want more clothes in general. Even if it mean paying for them.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Rectile
Warped
#77 - 2015-04-29 15:46:03 UTC
MICRO transactions not so micro
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#78 - 2015-04-29 16:15:21 UTC
The majority of micro-transactions have always been hugely detrimental to gaming.

In a game where every player is required to pay the price of a full, AAA game every 4 months, added micro-transactions are especially sad.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2015-04-29 18:46:02 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Permanent SKINS are a bit on the expensive side. I mean, 3750 AUR for a SKIN translates to like... a PLEX and change? That's 15 bucks for a cosmetic item. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these prices honestly. Why so hidiously expensive instead of just making them a couple of bucks each?

Ah, because if they were just a couple of bucks a permanent skin would suddenly only become worth like 50m ISK and everyone and their dogs would buy them and they'd lose their vanity. Problems problems... This entire 'micro'transaction system apparently doesn't take the complex economy of the game into account. Especially since AUR and ISK are still linked in value.

15 bucks for something you can't ever lose.
Yeah that's soooooo expensive!!!


Compared to other games that have micro transactions for permanent stuff that actually matters, like weapons, yes, it's f*cking expensive.

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#80 - 2015-04-29 18:57:42 UTC
Anise Tig'res wrote:
Remember Incarna? I think about that expansion quite a bit. All the things we were told it would be, that prototype they took around and showed people and the useless compartment we were eventually given.

And I remember the uproar about prices for NES clothing. Multiple PLEX for single items. That lost CCP players and fed protests.

We're back to that system. 30-40 $ skins for internet spaceships are now a reality. Are we really OK with this now as a community?


I am OK. 2 plex is not difficult to earn in a few hours of pve.